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Give the rest of the team a bag of whatever Jason's been smoking.

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Why does one of the good guys always get caught? Babs in 09, now Snelling? Let Reynolds and Konz get caught, weed out the liabilities in someway.

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Really dumb move on Jason's part, Smoking is whatever, smoking and driving, not cool at all.

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I know a good majority here don't really know where 'Winder, Ga' is..But it is East Bumfucky

something I will NEVER understand. Okay, I got it, Flowery Blank is 'out there'. But, you are only 'there' for, what, 5 months? Maaaaybe? So why the F8ck live in or 'around' Winder? Or even rent an APT? How about you buy a house in Alpharetta and UBER it, you dumbass sumbitch!

finally, something to actually 'bitch' about the Snail. Maybe we see Antoine Smith carry us out of a nice top 5 pick#figures

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Been through Winder many times. Would probably rather live there than ATL. Dif strokes, FG.

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Been through Winder many times. Would probably rather live there than ATL. Dif strokes, FG.

Yeah, I hear what your saying..But Im talking about being a black guy in a supernice car...Is 'probably' going to get noticed by the PoPo's quicker in Winder then in May-retta. I am not saying this is the right thing, but it does still definitely exist.

Now factor in you dont have a license, the car smells like weed, and you are eating it...just seems so stupid.

BTW, had this happened a year ago, here's the conversation:

Officer: Siir, license and registration, please.
Snelling: I play for the Falcons
Officer: sigh. Okay, give me your weed and I am going to follow you home..Please try to get your paperwork straight

this season

Officer: Siir, license and registration, please.
Snelling: I play for the Falcons

*handcuffs* :wink:

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You mean if it had happened 20 years ago. Look at the Michael Dyer situation out in Arkansas. It's hard for a cop to even look the other way anymore. Weed has always been a pretty delusional drug in my experience. People just forget it is illegal when they are chronic users and they don't usually realize how conspicuous their consumption is. It's stupid that it is illegal but even when they finally do legalize it you'll not be able to smoke and drive. Hate it for Jason because he is one of my favorite players on the team.

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I don't hate it, "for Jason." I hate that Jason was stupid. I'd say it to his face. STUPID. I'm a huge fan of the guy, but seriously, STUPID. As a pro RB, you get 3-10 years in the NFL. You can wait to hit the weed. Culture this, culture that... STUPID... STUPID. STUPID. STUPID.
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I don't hate it, "for Jason." I hate that Jason was stupid. I'd say it to his face. STUPID. I'm a huge fan of the guy, but seriously, STUPID. As a pro RB, you get 3-10 years in the NFL. You can wait to hit the weed. Culture this, culture that... STUPID... STUPID. STUPID. STUPID.
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Whatever. I've made plenty of stupid mistakes in my day too.

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Oh, we've all made plenty of mistakes. It's one thing to make a mistake, it's another thing to commit criminal acts. Even if most of us agree that it shouldn't be criminal, it still is. I don't feel bad for him in the slightest. You know why? Because I would never do it if I was in his shoes. I have never done it in my own shoes... because it's ILLEGAL. When it's legal, I'll probably try it out, just to see what I've been missing all of these years. In the mean time, I'm not going to risk my job, my family, and my freedom to get high. And lastly, if you're going to do it, DO IT AT HOME. I'm sure that it's a lot less fun to get high when you're not driving, but again, you're risking your life, your job, your family, and your freedom. Is it really worth it? No. Therefore, stupid.


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Most of us do illegal stuff every day. Ever go over the speed limit? Look, I get your point and there's no way I'm going to win a "debate" here. As someone once told me many years ago, "You're right...so what?"

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Oh, we've all made plenty of mistakes. It's one thing to make a mistake, it's another thing to commit criminal acts. Even if most of us agree that it shouldn't be criminal, it still is. I don't feel bad for him in the slightest. You know why? Because I would never do it if I was in his shoes. I have never done it in my own shoes... because it's ILLEGAL. When it's legal, I'll probably try it out, just to see what I've been missing all of these years. In the mean time, I'm not going to risk my job, my family, and my freedom to get high. And lastly, if you're going to do it, DO IT AT HOME. I'm sure that it's a lot less fun to get high when you're not driving, but again, you're risking your life, your job, your family, and your freedom. Is it really worth it? No. Therefore, stupid.

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Most of us do illegal stuff every day. Ever go over the speed limit? Look, I get your point and there's no way I'm going to win a "debate" here. As someone once told me many years ago, "You're right...so what?"

Actually, I generally obey the speed limit unless I feel that it is dangerous to not do so. Getting on the highway is an instance where it is dangerous to do the speed limit.

Anyway, there's a significant difference between breaking the speed limit, and being in the possession of an illegal substance. If you break the speed limit, you pay a fine. If you are in the possession of a controlled substance, you risk jail time, a suspended license, and more. If you're driving under the influence of a controlled substance...... yikes!

It's amazing to me that you guys shrug this off as if it's nothing and tell me I'm on a high horse. You want someone who's under the influence driving around with you and your family? I sure as hell don't.


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1. Driving under the influence of marijuana and driving under the influence of alcohol are very different things. Since you have not partaken in the former, I can understand why you would not be aware of this. The effects of alcohol eliminate inhibitions, which is why drunk individuals tend to drive reckless and out of control. The effects of THC (the active drug in marijuana) tends to have somewhat an opposite effect because it makes you hyper-paranoid. Thus you're more likely to drive under the speed limit than over it.

Now dependent on how high you are, weed can definitely inhibit motor control and slow reaction time similar to alcohol, which of course does make getting behind the wheel of a car a dangerous proposition. Not condoning driving high, but I would certainly argue it's the lesser of two evils in comparison to driving drunk.

2. In terms of the "responsibility of DUI", it's a far less dumb decision to drive under the influence at 4 am as opposed to a time when traffic is significantly higher.

3. From what I recall reading, Snelling was not charged with DUI. He was charged with possession. So the idea that he was swerving in his lane, but must have passed a field sobriety test indicates that Snelling wasn't being as irresponsible as you suggest.

It also lends credence to the notion that fun gus hinted at that SNelling's skin tone and make of his car probably had more to do with his being pulled over than his reckless driving. I'm not saying that it did, but I do sense the faint scent of smoke in the air, pun-intended.

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4. In other "civilized" countries, such as the Netherlands and Canada, and also in certain U.S. states as of late, what Snelling did is just like a speeding ticket: a fine-able offense. And within a few years, when the rest of Amercia is as civilized as the rest of the world and states like Colorado and Washington, possession of trace amounts of marijuana will be no different than speeding, and potentially less of an offense.


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Most of us do illegal stuff every day. Ever go over the speed limit? Look, I get your point and there's no way I'm going to win a "debate" here. As someone once told me many years ago, "You're right...so what?"

Actually, I generally obey the speed limit unless I feel that it is dangerous to not do so. Getting on the highway is an instance where it is dangerous to do the speed limit.

Anyway, there's a significant difference between breaking the speed limit, and being in the possession of an illegal substance. If you break the speed limit, you pay a fine. If you are in the possession of a controlled substance, you risk jail time, a suspended license, and more. If you're driving under the influence of a controlled substance...... yikes!

It's amazing to me that you guys shrug this off as if it's nothing and tell me I'm on a high horse. You want someone who's under the influence driving around with you and your family? I sure as hell don't.

There are people driving around under the influence of scrip drugs every day...but I guess they are "controlled." Like I say, on a moralistic level or whatever this is an unwinnable argument from my end. Doesn't mean I can't sympathize with the guy or that I feel duty bound to call him stupid. Weed is about as harmless a recreation drug as you'll ever find. If the Georgia Dome were full of potheads rather than drunks you would probably never see a fight in the stands. Is what it is. Lots of people have a hard time comprehending cultural practices--for lack of a better description-- that are out of their realm of experience. I'm glad you are a law abiding citizen even if the laws are absurd.

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4. In other "civilized" countries, such as the Netherlands and Canada, and also in certain U.S. states as of late, what Snelling did is just like a speeding ticket: a fine-able offense. And within a few years, when the rest of Amercia is as civilized as the rest of the world and states like Colorado and Washington, possession of trace amounts of marijuana will be no different than speeding, and potentially less of an offense.

I absolutely agree with this. I'm all for the decriminalization of marijuana. I'm aware that it is less dangerous than alcohol. (and generally speaking it's a harmless drug.) I took the officers at their word when they said that they pulled him over because he was having difficulty maintaining his lane. I haven't seen any new information since I made my previous post, but I've been quite busy with other things for most of the day.

Regardless of all of that, the risk of driving around in possession of this stuff is too great to justify ESPECIALLY if you are more likely to be racially profiled. I certainly don't support racial profiling, but if it is the way that things are, you kind of have to plan for it.


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You mean if it had happened 20 years ago. Look at the Michael Dyer situation out in Arkansas. It's hard for a cop to even look the other way anymore. .



must respectfully diagree here. :snooty:

I am the son of a cop. I know how this 'works'. Allow me to 'splain....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99980 ... ses-arrest

First of all, cops regularly 'lose' dashcam tapes and 'look the other way' ALL THE TIME. I can make this guarantee to you: if this was Matt Ryan, driving a late model Mercedes at 4 am up Ga State Rt 81 with 'dealer tags' on it, that smelled like weed last season? That man gets an escort home and the tape 'goes away'. Hell, even this pitiful season that may happen, too.

But, be a black man in a Merc with dealer plates, tinted windows and possibly some hip hop or rap music coming from it? Well guess what: the po-po's are going to say he was 'crossing the center line' quicker then you can say 'fund our force'.

Here's another lil gem: most authorised police officers, be it GSP, or APD, or even Barrow County Sherriffs that has a dashcam installed, it automatically starts recording the second you hit the 'lights'. They are connected. But therein lies the beauty: you don't hit the lights until you notice someone 'weaving', so there is no video proof of the 'crime' It falls under the 'testimony' of the arresting officer. Everytime.

What makes me curious is not only that 'Smelling' is such a dumbass, but that Blank still hasn't fully realized the environment his team lives in....Atlanta has alot of good things, but it also is 'a wretched hive of scum and villainy', too. Im not sure if it;s legal, or if the Players Union would even allow it, but if I was Blank...I would have a small team on retainer who's only job is to spy on the team....To get a rat in the locker room. To scour social media, and if the see someone on Twitter saying 'Im partying @ _____', to 'tail' players in a van. And an attorney on retainer 24 hours a day. I mean, yeah, I get it there alot of worse places with temptations ( Miami, NY..) but this ain't Jacksonville or Chattanooga. It just seems like we could avoid alot of these Turner/Snelling type things , since these guys seem to be powerless to use any goddamned common sense. :doh:

Hell, for all I know maybe this NSA type team exists, but they just cannot keep up with the 'demand' :lol:

What compounds the idiocy is Jason's own damn mouth. It's not enough to 'stink up the joint', but to say this sh*t ..."The seventh-year player emphasized Monday that it was his decision not to make the trip to Tampa and not a form of discipline from the team. He said he took the time to reflect on himself and apologized for not being there with his teammates.

The organization wanted Snelling to be in Tampa. Teammate Steven Jackson even talked about Snelling needing to "be around his brothers" in a time like this.

"Ultimately, I had to make the best decision for myself and for my family," Snelling said. "Under the circumstances, there's nothing more that I wanted to do than be with my team.


they should cut him right now. :beef:

*side story*... Back in the 80's my Mom worked for the police in Lebanon, Ohio...She was a cop, and a single mother also going to college part time, so I was basically a 'latchkey' 12 year old kid..Well, I was playing around with my hotwheels and lighting them on fire and I spilled some lighter fluid and caught the coffee tabletop on fire..I got the fire out, but the table was runied. If that wasn't bad enough, I tried to cover my crime by taking some shelf paper, you know the kind with the sticky back that was supposed to 'look like wood'...My dumbass was so stupid, I really thought she wouldn't 'notice'. In hindsight, I think this made her even more pissed off, not that I had made a mistake, but that I tried to cover it up, and so poorly. My mom had a 'recipe' for stuff like this: and it included getting a metal slotted spoon from the kitchen and 'introducing' it to my backside.

But, by 12, the spoon wasn't getting the job done anymore. So they had this program called 'scared straight' that was super popular back then where they took little a$$hole kids like me to prison, and let the inmates intimidate them. I guess my Mom thought this would be a great idea for me, so one Friday night she requested a night patrol and convinced the Chief to let me spend the night in the can. All week long she was like 'oh, your gonna find out exactly what happens to bad boys who grow up to be bad men this Friday...', and I admit I was more then a little scared. Friday arrived, and into the clink I went.

It was one of the most thoroughly exiting, entertaining and fun nights I ever had as a kid! First, they had something I had never seen before : CABLE TV! Second, these drunks were coining in and were hilarious! They posed no threat to me, and I spent the night reveling in great stories, bad jokes, and those awful softcore 80's 'ski movie' type films...When she came to get me in the morning, I didn't want to 'go'. I LOVED every minute of it. She was tired and pissed off, so I got another heaping serving of slotted spoon..To this day, I shudder a little if someone opens the kitchen drawer a little too fast! :lol:

But can you imagine someone trying that TODAY?! Tossing a 12 year old in the tank? Child services would be involved, to say the least :P *side story done* :ninja:

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What makes me curious is not only that 'Smelling' is such a dumbass, but that Blank still hasn't fully realized the environment his team lives in....Atlanta has alot of good things, but it also is 'a wretched hive of scum and villainy', too. Im not sure if it;s legal, or if the Players Union would even allow it, but if I was Blank...I would have a small team on retainer who's only job is to spy on the team....To get a rat in the locker room. To scour social media, and if the see someone on Twitter saying 'Im partying @ _____', to 'tail' players in a van. And an attorney on retainer 24 hours a day. I mean, yeah, I get it there alot of worse places with temptations ( Miami, NY..) but this ain't Jacksonville or Chattanooga. It just seems like we could avoid alot of these Turner/Snelling type things , since these guys seem to be powerless to use any goddamned common sense. :doh:

Hell, for all I know maybe this NSA type team exists, but they just cannot keep up with the 'demand' :lol:

What compounds the idiocy is Jason's own damn mouth. It's not enough to 'stink up the joint', but to say this sh*t ..."The seventh-year player emphasized Monday that it was his decision not to make the trip to Tampa and not a form of discipline from the team. He said he took the time to reflect on himself and apologized for not being there with his teammates.

The organization wanted Snelling to be in Tampa. Teammate Steven Jackson even talked about Snelling needing to "be around his brothers" in a time like this.

"Ultimately, I had to make the best decision for myself and for my family," Snelling said. "Under the circumstances, there's nothing more that I wanted to do than be with my team.


they should cut him right now. :beef:

I've always found it fascinating how quickly people on this message board "turn on" Falcons players when they have minor run-ins with the law. And yes, this is minor. As are the numerous DUIs that have occurred in the past (Daren Stone, Michael Turner, Lawyer MIlloy, etc.). Not condoning drunk driving by any means, but for most people it's a 1-time mistake because particularly for pro football players, its so easily avoidable.

I think a lot of fans would be shocked (and appalled) by how prevalent smoking is in both pro and college sports. And the league knows this, it's why the drug policy in regards to marijuana is so lax. Because ultimately it's a sort "Who gives a s***" sort of rule. It's only against the drug policy because marijuana for some silly reason marijuana is a schedule 1 drug which is defined as such by the DEA:

Schedule I drugs are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe psychological or physical dependence.

Which is BS and everybody knows it.

Here's my side story. My 21-year old cousin smokes weed practically every day, and as far as I can tell has done so fro the past 2 years. And frequently in that time, I have also partaken of the herb with him when I was bored and had free time. Now recently I have opted to cut back on that because I tend to become less motivated to do things besides watch TV and surf the internet when I'm high, and thus over the past 4-6 months have basically only smoked in social situations at parties a handful of times.

But back to my cousin. He works at a local Boston Market, and it's a poorly kept secret to his bosses that he usually shows up at work high. And because of his less than rigorous workload, his bosses tend to look the other way because it doesn't negatively effect his output every day. But one day a regional manager was doing whatever they do at BM and visiting the store, noticed my cousins "lofty" mental state, and asked the store manager why she lets her workers come to work high as often as she does. And her response was along the lines of "Because life sucks."

And weed among other drugs is a way for many people to deal with the stresses and rigors of life, and use it to escape their problems. And we could certainly debate whether that is right and undermining the fabric of society, but it is what it is. One could argue it's endemic to the human condition.

But going back to Jason Snelling, NFL players, and I believe Peter King wrote about this in his MMQB column when discussing Sam Hurd, if players want to unwind from the stresses and rigors of being professional football players by getting high a friends house at 1 am on the weekend, then I'm not going to judge. Just like I don't judge my cousin. He has a 3-month year old daughter and a baby mama that hates that he smokes all the time. If I was offering advice, I would tell him to curb his smoking because it would make his home life a lot less stressful (and thus not feed the mechanism that causes him to smoke as often as he does), but all I can do is offer the advice, it's on him to take it.

Don't get why people get bent out of a shape over these things.

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Don't get why people get bent out of a shape over these things.



dont misunderstand me, Im not mad at him for smoking weed. Im not even that mad at hims for being a dumbass and driving around Crackertown unlicensed while tokin'...But what pisses me off and why I think he should be cut right now is because his team wanted him in Tampa, and HE chose not to go.

I've been a fan, but not a 'fanboy'. I have a very low tolerance for guys who become dont buy into the 'team' concept :ninja:

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Well I don't agree. I find it kinda silly how you seem to spin guys that have legit personal issues as not buying into the team-first concept.

I take it you're the sort of guy that doesn't believe in sick days.

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Funny story about the jail, FG. And I concur that I was much more bothered by JS deciding not to play in TB than the bust. Keith Richards played a gig the night his daughter died. Likewise Favre and his father if memory serves. I guess this makes me a Nazi. Jason basically got a souped up DUI. Big f**** deal. Do they pay him for that game, BTW? And, Pudge, sick days are for when you are sick....not when you are butt hurt. Regardless, Still like Snelling.

As to weed and true confessions...I smoked it every day for years on end but got tired of being stoned and stupid and settled on just stupid. Rolled up a big fatty in October or so of 89 and said, "This is gonna be the last one." And it was. I had decided to have kids and didn't want to be trying to raise them and hiding it or whatever or being absentee, so to speak. One of the best moves I ever made though I don't exactly regret the years of smoking either, however, when vices become habits they kind of lose their powers of altering your perspective...they become your perspective.

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Well I don't agree. I find it kinda silly how you seem to spin guys that have legit personal issues as not buying into the team-first concept.

I take it you're the sort of guy that doesn't believe in sick days.


WTF is his 'legit' personal issue? Please explain. Did his father die( Favre)? Did his kid die(AP)? Dis someone call him a 'nasty name'?! Or was he a complete dumbass riding up Walking Dead country at 4 am. He must have been thinking about his 'family'.

For f*cks sake, the team 'wanted' him there. They did not 'punish him'. You dont believe in 'tanking' right? Why was he not 'there'? SJax would like to know, right? Oh, I am sorry, it is completely silly to expect a grown ass man to do his job when they pay him to do it. It is 'much' better for him to 'reflect' on his....bad decisions.

Jesus Christ, Pudge. Just get some NFL kneepads at this point! You might even get a discount if you throw up a sidebar and keep this incredible line of excuse-making up.

Jason Smoking doesn't work at the Boston Market, okay? 'Life' does not SUCK for him, right? Can we expect the bare minimum? At this point he needs to become Mayor of Toronto or get traded to Denver for a bag of 'Funyuns.

Good f*cking grief, as if this season isn't bad enough, were down to actually debating this? Do you guys really think Fun GUs has a problem with him getting 'high'? I wouldn't give a hot sh*t if he was smoking meth if he does his job. But, he 'chose' not to do it. So 'f you, f you, f you, YOUR COOL, F you...GTFO' :snooty:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eGJOqMHsDI

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