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Goodman and Toilolo

Postby starley657 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:55 pm

So are they good picks? Don't know anything about them. Is Toilolo good enough to be Tony's replacement?

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Re: Goodman and Toilolo

Postby RobertAP » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:00 pm

No, he's not. He's a bench warmer. He was Ertz's backup. He's got great size, but bad knees, and he's not a good blocker.

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Re: Goodman and Toilolo

Postby starley657 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:00 pm

Found this on Toilolo from NFL.com

Strengths
Toilolo has a massive frame. Good leaping ability, very difficult to defend in the end zone. Excels in the intermediate and deep game. Extends to catch the football. Has good acceleration. Coordinated enough to line up in the slot or outside in order to take advantage of mismatches. Comes off the line with little wasted motion. Good hip flexibility, and nimble feet.
Weaknesses
Extremely inconsistent. Will not always fully extend to make the catch. Slow with his hands as a blocker, and plays too high. Defenders can get into his chest and move him backwards. Routes can be a bit leggy, struggles in the short passing game. Can be effected by jams at the line.
NFL Comparison
Marcedes Lewis
Bottom Line
Toilolo has a massive frame to combine with good athleticism and leaping ability. He needs to clean up his inconsistencies by fine tuning his technique, but he does have starter upside. At the very least, he will be an interesting weapon to use in the red zone.

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Re: Goodman and Toilolo

Postby starley657 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:04 pm

Here is Goodman's


ANALYSIS
Strengths
Powerful left end prospect with thick upper and lower body builds, and long arms. Frame that would allow him to grow into five-technique if a team required it. Shows consistent hand placement, can control and pop off his man to make stops. Violent hands, often doesn't allow the offensive lineman to grab a hold of him when rushing the passer. Gets off the ball quickly for his size when in pass rush mode, bulling his man backwards or using his strength to work the outside shoulder. Also effective splitting double moves and beating guards when lined up inside on third down. Keeps his eyes in the backfield, will get his hands in passing lanes and shed and close to the quarterback if his man stops his feet when the play is extended. Shows good flexibility on end-twist stunts.
Weaknesses
Won’t be an elite pass rusher because of average straight-line speed and change of direction ability. Slow to disengage his hands. Doesn't counter well when locked up. Struggles to contain running backs on the edge when he takes a step inside. Inconsistent reacting to the snap, will be the last player moving at times.
NFL Comparison
Frank Alexander
Bottom Line
Goodman is not an overly impressive athlete, possessing only average speed and change of direction ability. He compounds this issue in the pass rushing department by being slow to react to the snap. However, he has a tremendous frame, with long arms, and active, violent hands. Posssess strength and can really get a push on his blocker, but needs to develop a better set of counter moves when engaged. Goodman fits the profile of a three down 4-3 strong-side defensive end.

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Re: Goodman and Toilolo

Postby SmorgasBorgnine » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:32 pm

From CBSSports:
Goodman:
More potential than production at a program known for pass rushers. Ended on a high note (three sacks in bowl victory over LSU).

Good first step and attacks with a fiery attitude. Assignment-sound and holds contain, setting the edge and using his eyes to quickly react. Uses his limbs to extend and make initial contact, working off blocks. -- Dane Brugler


Toilolo:
Imposing blocker, short-area receiver who'd earned the starting job over Fleener (Colts' 2012 second-round pick), Ertz before an ACL injury.

Balanced athlete with body control and long-striding speed. Good job locating and high-pointing to go up and secure it. Nice job beating press and releasing to gain a step vertically. Good open-field patience. -- Dane Brugler
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If Toilolo was able to compete with Fleener and Ertz and even beat them both out at times for the starting position, it means he has some talent and is probably our 2nd stringer from the day he suits up. This is not a bad pick for 4th rounder.

I was hoping for LB help, but I guess they are planning on making some moves in free agency or maybe Banks is better than we expect...
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Re: Goodman and Toilolo

Postby samedi » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:20 pm

Toilolo has 3 relatives that have played in the NFL. Someone was mentioning this befor, as 1 and 2 both have relatives that play(ed) as well.

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Re: Goodman and Toilolo

Postby RobertAP » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:29 pm

Having former NFL players in your family tree doesn't seem to be very important. We had Otis Wilson's son for a while, and he turned out to be worthless. Jarrett Payton was Walter Payton's son, but he was a bench warmer. Marcus Vick was nothing compared to his brother. You measure players by what they do, not by what their parents, cousins, etc did.

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Re: Goodman and Toilolo

Postby Pudge » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:14 pm

Toilolo is raw, but his size, speed, and strength means that he could develop into a matchup nightmare down the road. I liked him a lot. He had a disappointing senior year. He wasn't Zach Ertz's backup, he was the inline STARTER in Stanford's 2-TE offense.

The gap between Jermaine Gresham and Levine Toilolo is not very big. Love the pick. He's a boom/bust guy, but if he can be coached up, he could be a scary dude. He could be Martrez Milner/O.J. Santiago, or he could be Jermaine Gresham/Anthony Fasano.

Goodman is a solid rotational player. I haven't seen much out of him that makes me think he's an impact starter. I think he could start in the NFL and be decent complementary starter. I'll watch some more tape, but I didn't like the fact that Menelik Watson shut him down in the FSU game. Apparently, he went off vs. LSU, so I'll check out that game and maybe 1 or 2 others.
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