Pat doesn't remember our recent DE history I guess...

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Pat doesn't remember our recent DE history I guess...

Postby MarylandFalcon1 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:49 pm

Pat Yasinskas at ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_ ... or-falcons

The fine folks at ESPN Stats & Information never cease to amaze me with the nuggets they pass along.

They recently sent us some pre-draft stuff, and one item really jumped off the page.

It took SMU defensive end Margus Hunt an average of 2.36 seconds to get to the quarterback on his eight sacks last season. That was the best average of any BCS front-seven prospect rated in the top 80 by Scouts Inc.

And here’s another nugget on Hunt. On all eight of his sacks, he was the first player to contact the quarterback. In other words, he wasn’t cleaning up on what other people had started.

I’m mentioning this because I think Hunt could be a possibility for the Atlanta Falcons with the 30th pick in the draft. I know, the Falcons have a more glaring need at cornerback, but I’m not sure a good one will be available at No. 30. If the Falcons were to put Hunt out there with Osi Umenyiora, the pass rush might be good enough to make any cornerback look better.

By the way, Hunt’s potential isn’t even close to being tapped. He didn’t even start playing football until 2009. Here’s a story I did on Hunt a while back that details how he transformed from a track and field performer in Estonia to a potential first-round pick.

Does this guy not remember Sid or JAM98? Unreal he would even write this...
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Re: Pat doesn't remember our recent DE history I guess...

Postby samedi » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:13 pm

Hunt is neither of them. That said, he is 26 already and isn't going to peak in football knowledge until hos physical skills are on the way down. I would expect that he'll perform better than expected his first year but fade soon after that.

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Re: Pat doesn't remember our recent DE history I guess...

Postby dirtybirdnw » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:36 am

Not entirely sure what the correlation is here either.
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Re: Pat doesn't remember our recent DE history I guess...

Postby Pudge » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:58 pm

MarylandFalcon1 wrote:Does this guy not remember Sid or JAM98? Unreal he would even write this...

Yeah, are you suggesting that because the rawness of guys like Sid and Anderson not working out, the Falcons will never take a raw DE ever again?

Well, I hate to break it to you, but most DEs are raw. The 2 best DEs in this class are raw: Ansah and Jordan. If they reach their potential, they could be the next Julius Peppers and Aldon Smith.

Hunt is the same way. He might take a little longer to develop, because similar to Anderson he needs to use his hands better. But if he reaches his potential, then he could be a J.J. Watt/Justin Smith-caliber of dominator up front. At pick No. 10, you might be averse to that risk, but at pick No. 30, you should not be.

And people act like Sidbury didn't develop. He did. The issue with Sidbury wasn't that he couldn't play, because he was our 3rd best pure pass rusher behind only Abe and Babineaux. He didn't play because he didn't produce on special teams and didn't play the run. Now on many teams that wouldn't be an issue because he could just be a nickel/situational pass rusher. But unfortunately for Sidbury, he played on a Falcon team that the two DEs ahead of him on the depth chart were also nickel specialists. And there's really only room to have 2 of those players on your roster, and thus Sidbury was on the outside looking in.
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Re: Pat doesn't remember our recent DE history I guess...

Postby Cyril » Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:53 am

What's raw?

We've had a decent range of defensive ends. Patrick Kerney played other sports so I guess he was raw? Chuck Smith was a football player through & through; and a good
#2 pick. Most are too young to remember Claude Humphries who played while we didn't keep sack stats, and he was great, and we had some busts in the 80s with Pitts, and we never knew where to play Aundrey Bruce; linebacker or defensive end.!!

Bottom line is Pudge is right; teams will always take raw because in the end, a raw Defensive end can be better than a seasoned over rated college star.

Lets not get hung up on one player; but I don't think Sid ever developed much. He really wasn't good at much including rushing the passer.!!
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Re: Pat doesn't remember our recent DE history I guess...

Postby fun gus » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:37 am

Pudge wrote:
MarylandFalcon1 wrote: He might take a little longer to develop, because similar to Anderson he needs to use his hands better. But if he reaches his potential, then he could be a J.J. Watt/Justin Smith-caliber of dominator up front. At pick No. 10, you might be averse to that risk, but at pick No. 30, you should not be..



Please God, NO at 30. I like the guy, but we cannot afford to spend our #30 pick on a 'prospect'. We need a guy who can come in and immediately produce. This is not the guy. He's older, only been playing football since 09, and it is going to take him at least 2 years to get up to speed, if he can at all. He's big, and athletic, would be a good ST player (field goals) but he is Kroy Biermann II Estonia Boogaloo. :wink:

I wouldn't pass him up if he falls late 2nd or 3rd but at #30? NO thanks :snooty:

BTW here's where he is projected to go :





CBS Sports-49th

National Football Post-96th

Mocking the Draft-53rd

Sports Illustrated-outside the top 40
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Now, if we absolutely HAVE to pick up a raw DE, Id rather go with Darius Slay. This guy only started one year, but he's from around the way, and played in the most dominant conference in college football. It's considerably easier to look like a giant killer against Fresno State :)
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