fun gus wrote:
that is just plain silly. Why do we have an OC then? He is playing a guy out of position, and you think TD and Smith are 'making him do that'?
You mean, you actually believe that Dirk Koetter makes the decisions on who starts for the Falcons each and every game?
You actually think that on a weekly basis, Mike Smith walks into Dirk's office full of pep, carrying two coffees:
Smitty: "Hey Boss, who are we starting this week?"
Dirk: "Konz is going to start at right guard. Mud Duck at center. Do you have a problem with that?"
Smitty: "No sir! Whatever you say sir! I'm just hear to fetch your coffee. Four sugars right boss?"
Dirk: [accepts coffee, sips it and tussles Smith's balding white hair playfully]
Because if Koetter makes the decisions who plays where, then wouldn't that mean he makes the decisions on who plays at all, and ultimately holds sway over the entire roster, at least the offensive half?
So you actually believe that Dirk Koetter was the primary decision maker in the Falcons roster, and Mike Smith and Thomas Dimitroff, both of whom make 3-5 times as much as Koetter, are just executing his decisions?
You're saying that back in May, when the Falcons held their mini-camps and Konz was working as the 3rd string right guard behind Garrett Reynolds and Vince Manuwai, that it was Dirk Koetter that made that decision? That Mike Smith, Pat Hill, and/or Thomas Dimitroff showed up that day to camp, and Koetter had already said, "This is how it is and this is how it will be." And they just said, "Ok Dirk, whatever you say. You're the offensive coordinator, and thus you control everything."
You think that when the organization within hours of drafting Peter Konz have publicly released statements and comments to the media that "We intend to have Konz compete right away at right guard," that it is the offensive coordinator that is the onus behind this statement/decision, and now the GM, his front office, and/or the head coach who jointly makes these big draft decisions?
It's a thrilling combination of fascination and astonishment that you don't think the head coach of the team makes these types of decisions. Like I'm now curious as to what you think the head coach actually does?
Sounds like he is just their errand boy.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxowohyf7ww
fun gus wrote:
I haven't seen such a case of nuthugging over a medicore player since the days of MV7.
It's not nut hugging, nor is he mediocre.
Todd McClure has started 191 games in his career. When game starts has been regular kept since the 70s, roughly 25 or so years before McClure's career began and the 13 years since, only 93 players have started more games than he has.
That's 93 out of say at least 15,000 that over that 40-year time span probably suited up and played in the NFL. That could be a very low estimate, as the number could have easily been twice that. But let's say it's only 15,000. Even so, that would mean that in terms of NFL longevity, that number of starts would put Todd McClure in the 99th percentile.
There's nothing mediocre about that.
I simply don't understand this fascination with McClure.
This is why you fail.
People honestly believe that a guy could dupe 4 different coaching staffs into playing him without having some sort of skill?
hat said, I'll again reference the number of center prospects that the Falcons have brought in to replace McClure. They obviously thought that they could do better.
This sort of logic is ridiculous. The Falcons have drafted 4 centers in 11 years: Garza, Datish, Hawley, and Konz.
Matt Birk, who was drafted by the Vikings in 1998 and played with them through 2008, managed to play in 6 Pro Bowls and was widely considered to be one of the elite centers in the league and may have a chance to be in the HOF one day. Do you know how many centers the Vikings drafted during the 11 years he played with that team?
3. Mike Malano in 2000. Ryan Cook in 2006. And John Sullivan in 2008.
One less than the Falcons, who according to you were playing with a below average center for that entire time, while the Vikings were playing with one of the best there ever was.
You do realize that sometimes teams will draft players for depth and insurance right? Like we didn't draft Charles Mitchell because we thought we could do better than William Moore at strong safety. We drafted him because we needed depth at the position, and in the event that Moore leaves the team following this year, we have at least a body on the team that could possibly replace him (where the insurance comes in).
Here's something you might find interesting. I suggest at this point if you want to continue to revel in ignorance you stop
reading here. If you want to have your mind blown, then keep on reading...
Still here? OK, let's go...
In 1999, the Falcons drafted Todd McClure and signed him to a 3-yr. deal that expired after the 2001 season.
In 2001, the Falcons drafted the first of several attempted replacements for McClure in Roberto Garza. He was signed to a 3-yr. deal as well, through 2003.
Following the 2001 season, the Falcons tendered McClure as an RFA to a 1-yr. deal. In 2002, Garza got his first and only shot at competing against McClure in training camp for the starting job. He lost.
The following year McClure became a UFA and signed a 2-yr. deal with the Falcons. Presumably because the Falcons weren't still convinced he was the long-term solution at center.
His deal voided after one year, and both he and Garza were free agents in 2004. McClure as a UFA signed a 3 year deal on the first day of free agency (March 3, 2004). Garza, being a RFA 3 weeks later signed a 1-yr. deal.
After the 2004 season, Garza would depart Atlanta and join the Bears. He would go on to start 6 seasons at guard and upon the sudden retirement of Olin Kreutz in 2011, would be moved inside to center.
Meanwhile, McClure is chugging along, and is good enough that the team decides to give him a contract extension in December 2006, a month before his contract is due to expire. It's a brand new 5-yr. deal that will keep him a Falcon through 2011.
The coaching staff is cleaned out a few weeks later. Bobby Petrino comes in with a brand new blocking scheme. He wants bigger, more physical blockers up front.
So in 2007, he drafts Doug Datish in the 6th round thinking he'll be that guy. Of course, Datish is not. He gets hurt his rookie camp, and just isn't that good a player (very few Ohio State OL have been in the post Mangold era), and he's cut the following summer without ever really challenging McClure for his gig.
Petrino is gone after 13 games, and a new group take over in 2008. But McClure keeps chugging along.
So 2010 rolls around, Todd McClure is now 33 years old. Centers have been known to play until they're 35, but clearly McClure is on his last legs. He's got 2 more years left of his contract, and so the time seems right to draft his heir apparent and replacement. Don't forget we've heard some retirement rumors swirling around the Mud Duck either that off-season or the previous one (I can't recall which).
They take Joe Hawley in the 4th round in 2010. And he sits back and he's waiting for McClure to retire or hang it up.
Then 2012 rolls around, and McClure is a FA again. Now the time for Hawley has seemingly emerged. But guess what, Todd McClure is willing to come back for 1 more year at the veteran minimum.
And thus the team makes the decision that while they planned for Hawley to take over, given their high aspirations, if they can get the Mud Duck back for practically nothing, it makes sense to give him one last shot.
But then April rolls around, and the league's top center in the draft that almost everyone thought the Ravens would take in Round 1 is still on the board. FYI, the center for the Ravens is Matt Birk, who most believe is going to retire. But the Ravens pass on Konz and trade back into the draft. But in Round 2, when the Ravens take Courtney Upshaw instead, Konz now falls in the draft.
Patriots come on the clock at #48, they need a center to replace Koppen. Nope, they take DB Tavon Wilson instead. Hey maybe the Titans will take him at #52 because they've been looking for Mawae's replacement for years. Nope, they prefer the super athletic LB Zach Brown.
And so the Falcons come on the clock at #55. They see Konz on the board, when they like most "experts" figured he'd go somewhere in the Top 30, Top 40 at worst. They have a 1st round grade on him, and there's nobody else on their board that is graded as high as them.
At this point, the team isn't all-in on Hawley. If they were, they would not have re-signed McClure. They also have an opening at RG, and Konz is big and physical enough that most experts agree he can play guard in the NFL (in fact, those same experts thought the reason why the Ravens would draft him is because of their need at LG, and ultimately move Konz to C a year or so later when Birk retired).
And the Falcons are thinking the exact same thing. We'll plug Konz immediately at RG, where he'll compete with Manuwai. Best case scenario, Konz is a world-class OG, Hawley solidifies the OC spot, and alongside Blalock and Clabo, we've now solidified 4 of our 5 OL positions for the next 3-5 years. Worst case scenario, Konz and Hawley will compete for the open OC in 2013, and we know that we'll find a pretty decent center out of it.
So of course the Falcons send in their card to draft Konz.
What you have to understand is that the Falcons drafting all of these others centers is not an indicator that they lacked trust in McClure. Garza was drafted before McClure had really solidified his status in the league (2 yrs. in), and Konz & Hawley were drafted when McClure was on his last legs. There's basically 8 years where the Falcons made little to no attempt to replace McClure.
Sure, you think they drafted Doug Datish . But what you should find most interesting about Datish is that he played 4 different positions while at Ohio State. He only played center as a senior out of necessity. They weren't drafting Datish as a referendum on McClure to replace him immediately, it was primarily to add depth with a utility backup that could potentially be groomed down the line to play center. Datish in his initial camp was 3rd string C behind McClure and P.J. Alexander.
Instead, what you should be paying attention is all of the indicators that showed the Falcons had the utmost faith in McClure. That is illustrated from the nearly $16 million in contracts that the Falcons handed him from 2003 to 2012. The fact, that twice during his career they prioritized re-signing him (on the first day of FA in 2004, and before he hit the mark in 2006).
See what has happened here, is that people, in this case RobertAP and fun gus hold the opinion: "Todd McClure sucks!" and thus are only looking at (flimsy) evidence that supports their opinion.
If they looked at all
of the evidence, then even the most stubborn person should come away with thinking, "Eh, he's pretty decent."