AngryJohnny51 wrote:I agree, but for every pick Ryan throws, the haters are gonna hate. Ryan is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
widetrak21 wrote:Do you mean more vertical, spread or just general passing? If its stricly vertical, we haven't fixed anything I'm afraid.
To me the Giants are a good example to try and mimic. The GIants are balanced (relatively speaking) in that they run and pass, but the Giants understand and aren't afraid to throw the football when they teams like New Orleans, Green Bay, etc.
I'm not going to put the Giants on some pedestal as some great team because they are a wildly inconsistent team. But I think what the Giants have done a good job over the years since their '07 season is really put Eli in a situation where if they have to throw the ball 40+ times in order to compete, they can do that. Now the Giants don't win many games like that, but if/when those times come where Eli does throw the ball that often, they are still managing to score 30+ points a game, while on the other hand in Atlanta, when Matt Ryan is put in similar situations, they are far too often struggling to score 17.
And while many simply dismiss that difference as being because Matt Ryan isn't capable of being that guy, I think it has as much if not much more to do with the fact that this offense has never really been designed to do that. IMHO, MIke Smith is deathly afraid of getting into a shootout.
And the Giants approach to yesterday's game vs. GB (where they weren't afraid to sling it), and the Falcons approach to our game vs. the Giants perfectly personify this. The Falcons were in a situation where they basically had to run Turner XX amount of times, or otherwise we were going to be royally screwed.
The more I've read on Koetter, the more optimistic I am that he can install this type of offense. But IMHO, 100% depends on whether Mike Smith is willing to break the chains off and allow him to do that. It seems oxymoronic to me to have an offense that throws the football down the field, but preaches to never ever turn the ball over. You can't be aggressive and fearful at the same time. You have to be willing to break a few eggs in order to make an omelette, and keep the metaphors going...
But again, the Giants are a good exhibitor of this because people constantly harp on how many times Eli Manning turns the ball over. If you want him to throw 30 TDs, then you can't be afraid for him to throw 20 INTs as well.
Coach him out of this ball control, limit turnovers style of play or otherwise I just can't see him succeeding as a vertical passer in this type of offense.
I just want to see this coaching staff (namely Mike Smith) grow a pair and be willing to do whatever it takes to win. I'm tired of watching this team trying to win every game 20-17. And I think that's the difference between us (a pretender) and a team like the Giants, who are a darkhorse, but still a contender, is that I don't think they are afraid to get into a 38-35 shootout.
And I saw the same thing with the 49ers against the Saints too. They may be coached to be this conservative, run-first, defensive-minded team. But they didn't shirk away from slinging the ball down the stretch against the Saints in order to win that game. And off the top of my head, I can't really remember a game where the Falcons played like that against a good team. It's one thing to play that way against the Jags or Bucs, it's another to have the balls to do it against the Saints, Giants, Packers, Steelers, or Patriots.
And the one thing I saw throughout this past season with this Falcon team is that they played scared. There was a lot of fear with this team. And these teams that have achieved more than us this year and last year and in recent years, don't play afraid.
In big games, this team gets tight and fearful. And while many seem to be pointing the fingers at the QB, I think 100% of that comes from the head coach. And that has to change.
"Vincere scis, Hannibal, victoria uti nescis" -- Maharbal, 216 B.C.E.