c'mon Pudge, you are MUCH better then this.
let me knock these down, one at a time.
First, your 'sourcing' is laughable. Let's take a look at the IPC.
from thier own website : IPC, formed in 2003 is a non-partisan
organization that neither supports nor opposes any political party
or candidate for office.
Really? Hmmm... Let see what 'open secrets' and 'discover the networks' has to say about this:
"Founded in 2003, the Immigration Policy Center (IPC) is the policy arm of the American Immigration Council (AIC), formerly known as the American Immigration Law Foundation (AILF). Like its parent organization, IPC is an advocate of open borders
and contends that the massive influx of illegal immigrants into America is due to U.S. government policy, since “the broken immigration system […] spurs unauthorized immigration in the first place.” On IPC’s blog, Immigration Impact, its staff engages in a more divisive interpretation of the immigration issue, arguing that the rhetoric of many Republican politicians
and the “radical right,” in general, fuels racial hate and bigotry in American culture.
Through the American Immigration Council, IPC has access to the considerable grant money of the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA), the ChevronTexaco Foundation, the Ford Foundation, and George Soros’ Open Society Institute (OSI)
. In addition, IPC’s staff members are connected to some of the most powerful institutions of the radical left
; IPC staffers have previously occupied prominent positions in the OSI, the AILA, the National Immigration Forum (NIF), the National Council of La Raza (NCLR), the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Immigration Outreach Center (Phoenix, Arizona), the Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, and the New America Media, an arm of the Pacific News Service."
Now, have I completely discredited the 'non-partisian' IPC, Pudge? Are they being intellectually honest? The LIE right to your face on thier own website! Godd Grief. One and done, there.
"The point I'm making is that if he thinks illegal immigration is a big factor affecting the black community then he is dead wrong."
Hosea Williams is no longer with us. But I knew him, and he walked the walk. In 1998 the Klan was having a rally in Gainesville. Hosea put out the 'word' that he wanted a counter protest. I was there with him and about maybe 150 people, from all walks of life and religions. Hosea watched the spectacle with the crowd, and at one point the Klansspeaker started railing against illegals 'stealing thier jobs'. This was the ONLY thing Hosea agreed with them about, he was pretty open about his views on the matter. I do not think he was 'wrong', and I do think this issue was a 'factor'. Now we can argue about the scale of the 'factor', but I am inclined to agree with Mr Williams...
for instance, since the State of Georgia implemented a law in 2012 that police could 'ask' for proof of residency or green cards, a cottage industry has popped up in Gainesville. Taxis take illegal workers to the processing plants to avoid deportation. source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17281731
Now you say 'well how do they get these jobs? dont they have to show proof? not always, and often the 'proof' is fake source: http://www.gainesville.com/article/2008 ... /423983649
The people who USED to work in the plants before the 80's were primarily "rural white women and some African Americans, as well as white farmers and construction workers during the off-season." Conditions got pretty bad in the 70's and they tried to Unionize....Then along comes our friends South of the Border.."In the 1980s Georgia's chicken processors turned to a new source of labor: migrants from Latin America. During the 1990s
the Latino population of Georgia increased by 300 percent
. In the same period Hall County's Latino population grew by nearly 500 percent
. By the opening of the new millennium, the overwhelming majority of production workers in Georgia's processing plants were immigrants from Latin America, mainly from Mexico.
To integrators, these workers appeared to provide a more stable, reliable work force
, and turnover rates dropped. For immigrant workers, poultry plants provided unheard-of high wages and benefits."
(Census 2000.)also Suggested Reading
David Griffith, "Hay Trabajo: Poultry Processing, Rural Industrialization, and the Latinization of Low-Wage Labor," in Any Way You Cut It: Meat Processing and Small-Town America, ed. Donald D. Stull, Michael J. Broadway, and David Griffith (Lawrence: University Press of Kansas, 1995), 129-51.
Greig Guthey, "Mexican Places in Southern Spaces: Globalization, Work, and Daily Life in and around the North Georgia Poultry Industry," in Latino Workers in the Contemporary South, ed. Arthur D. Murphy, Colleen Blanchard, and Jennifer A. Hill (Athens: University of Georgia Press, 2001), 57-67.
Now, you may not think this influx of people aren't a BIG factor, but I would bet the African Americans that got squeezed out of thier jobs and homes might disagree with you. Hosea saw the handwriting on the wall a long, long time ago. He knew damn well that the chicken Lobby owned the legislature, and if that meant throwing the AA workers under the bus, that's exactly what they would do: and he was spot on.
Everything you mentioned is, of course. a factor. " poorly funded schools, lack of education, crime, drugs, and teenage pregnancy" are all not good for the AA 'community'. But neither is losing your job or home to a "more stable, reliable work force", which not only costs the infrastructure of Gainesville, but a great deal of the $$ goes back acorss the border. In 1975, there was 5 or 6 places to 'wire' $$, now just drive up and look around. Stroll down Buford highway. Hundreds, literally. Twenty people move into a small home, property devalues. Property devalues:millage suffers. Then the 'poorly funded school' loses MORE $$, and now has to accept a large contigent of kids whos first language isn't even English. Crime? Google "La Onda and SUR-13" and get back to me. You might want to ask the Gainesville-Hall County Gang Task Force about that...
Pudge, in 1997 I worked at Vickery's a restaurant in Midtown. I worked primarily with black guys and po white guys. Today, the ENTIRE kitchen staff speaks Spanish. In fact, I wager you could not go into a restaurant within the perimeter that doesn't have at least a working knowledge of 'kitchen Spanglish'.
Hosea might have been wrong. He was 'old school', tho. Like these folks :http://blog.adl.org/civil-rights/black-american-leadership-alliance-mobilizing-against-immigration-reform
I know Hosea was wrong on Gay rights. I could never find 'common ground' with him on that. But just because he didn't think 'the gays' should get hitched, or that Illegals were depressing wages and hurting poor African Americans, does not mean he didn't care about the other issues you mentioned. In many respects, this is what I found the most troubling of Hosea: he was against Charter schools, when his family went to expensive private schools. He spoke alot about crime, but he made a fortune bonding out criminals and his companies slogan was 'Free at Last!', which I thought was pretty crass coming from a guy with his pedigree. He often seemed 'narrowminded', in that he was only looking out 'for his people', and he despised the Asians in 'Chambodia' ( that used to be Chamblee;-) as much as the Messicans. So dont get me wrong, Im not putting this guy on a pedastel.
But I do think that illegal immigrants do much to work against the plight of the AA community, and are a factor just like all the things you mentioned above. The problem, again, is if you try to articulate these opinions, you asre automatically labeled a 'racist'. And even a guy like Hosea Williams, who was present when MLK was shot, and marched with the Freedom Riders, can get labeled a racist for 'looking out for his own'. And, that, in a nutshell is another example of Political Correctness run amok.
Does any of that make sense? Enjoying the back and forth.