Concerns about McFadden's size

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Concerns about McFadden's size

Postby Pudge » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:01 pm

I was going through Pro Football Reference's recent blogs, as I don't read it enough. After reading some interesting analysis of black QBs as well as interesting analysis about the success of QBs based on where they go in the draft, I was looking at a blog about RBs and BMI (Body Mass Index).

A large portion of the entry was devoted to McFadden and his low BMI, and how he's built a lot like Norwood, which could raise some issues about durability.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=489

BTW, I posted the BMIs of the 30 RBs that were invited to the Combine based off their Combine weigh-ins. In () I put comparable past and current players. I'm not sure in the end BMI matters too much, but it's at least interesting.

RNK PLAYER NAME HGT WGT BMI
1 - Rashard Mendenhall - 70.125 / 225 = 32.2 (Earl Campbell/Ricky Williams)
2 - Chad Simpson - 68.625 / 215 = 32.1 (Earl Campbell/Ricky Williams)
3 - Xavier Omon - 70.75 / 228 = 32.0 (Emmitt/LT)
4 - Lex Hilliard - 71.5 / 230 = 31.6 (Emmitt/LT)
5 - Kregg Lumpkin - 71.5 / 226 = 31.1 (Stephen Davis/MJD)
6 - BenJarvus Green-Ellis - 70.625 / 220 = 31.0 (Fred Taylor/Barry Sanders/McGahee)
7 - Jalen Parmele - 71.5 / 224 = 30.8 (Fred Taylor/Barry Sanders/McGahee)
8 - Yvenson Bernard - 68.375 / 204 = 30.7 (Earnest Byner/Rodney Hampton)
9 - Thomas Brown - 68.375 / 204 = 30.7 (Earnest Byner/Rodney Hampton)
10 - Tashard Choice - 70.5 / 215 = 30.4 (Gerald Riggs/Marshall Faulk/Westbrook)
11 - Mike Hart - 68.875 / 205 = 30.4 (Gerald Riggs/Marshall Faulk/Westbrook)
12 - Jonathan Stewart - 73 / 230 = 30.3 (Gerald Riggs/Marshall Faulk/Westbrook)
13 - Ray Rice - 68 / 199 = 30.3 (Gerald Riggs/Marshall Faulk/Westbrook)
14 - Calvin Dawson - 68.5 / 200 = 30.0 (Roger Craig/Garrison Hearst/Willie Parker)
15 - Kalvin McRae - 69.125 / 203 = 29.9 (Garrison Hearst/Willie Parker)
16 - Ryan Torain - 72.375 / 222 = 29.8 (Corey Dillon)
17 - Felix Jones - 70.125 / 207 = 29.6 (Herschel Walker)
18 - Justin Forsett - 68 / 194 = 29.5 (John Riggins)
19 - Chauncey Washington - 71.375 / 211 = 29.1 (Edgerrin James)
20 - Steve Slaton - 69.125 / 197 = 29.0 (Edgerrin James)
21 - Rafael Little - 68.75 / 194 = 28.9 (Edgerrin James)
22 - Marcus Thomas - 72.25 / 213 = 28.7 (Terrell Davis/Walter Payton)
23 - Kevin Smith - 73.125 / 217 = 28.5 (Ricky Watters/Clinton Portis/Adrian Peterson)
24 - Cory Boyd - 72.5 / 213 = 28.5 (Ricky Watters/Clinton Portis/Adrian Peterson)
25 - Matt Forte - 73.375 / 217 = 28.3 (O.J. Anderson)
26 - Dantrell Savage - 68.25 / 187 = 28.2 (O.J. Anderson)
27 - Jamaal Charles - 71 / 200 = 27.9 (Jerious Norwood)
28 - Darren McFadden - 73.25 / 211 = 27.6 (Eric Dickerson)
29 - Chris Johnson - 71 / 197 = 27.5 (Eric Dickerson)
30 - Allen Patrick - 72.75 / 198 = 26.3 (Warrick Dunn)


BTW, Michael Turner's BMI is 33.5, the same as Jamal Lewis.
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Re: Concerns about McFadden's size

Postby thescout » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:10 pm

Wow good stuff Pudge. I am going to have use that reference guide alot more. I Think DMAC once he gets to the pros will see the value of his legs and build them up also.
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Re: Concerns about McFadden's size

Postby BirdBrain » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:15 pm

thescout wrote:Wow good stuff Pudge. I am going to have use that reference guide alot more. I Think DMAC once he gets to the pros will see the value of his legs and build them up also.


Yep, legs are important.


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Re: Concerns about McFadden's size

Postby Go Falcons » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:30 pm

Very interesting! Thanks for posting, Pudge.
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Re: Concerns about McFadden's size

Postby ridethemattrain » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:24 pm

hmmm...Ray Rice suprised me.
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Re: Concerns about McFadden's size

Postby Pudge » Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:29 pm

Just updating for this year's backs.

And it's not that big an issue because the Falcons aren't really in the market for a RB. But I thought it was interesting to look at the Body Mass Indexes (BMIs) of this year's backs in the Combine.

Most starting RBs in the NFL have a BMI between 29 and 32. Here are some prominent BMIs going from the smallest guy (Dunn) to the biggest (Turner):

Michael Turner (35.0)
Jamal Lewis (34.2)
Brandon Jacobs (32.1)
LenDale White (31.0)
Marshawn Lynch (30.0)
Brian Westbrook (29.1)
Adrian Peterson (28.6)
Jerious Norwood (28.2)
Chris Johnson (27.9)
Warrick Dunn (27.6)

All based off their heights and weights listed at NFL.com

Here are this year's group of Combine RBs:

Tyrell Sutton (32.1)
P.J. Hill (31.9)
Shonn Greene (31.7)
Gartrell Johnson (31.4)
Knowshon Moreno (31.1)
Chris Wells (31.0)
Cedric Peerman (31.0)
Jeremiah Johnson (30.9)
James Davis (30.4)
Andre Brown (30.4)
Javon Ringer (30.3)
Donald Brown (30.1)
Marlon Lucky (30.1)
Chris Ogbonnaya (29.8)
Kahlil Bell (29.6)
Ian Johnson (29.6)
Kory Sheets (29.0)
LeSean McCoy (28.4)
Arian Foster (28.4)
Glen Coffee (28.3)

I think guys like Gartrell Johnson, Ogbonnaya, and McCoy need to be bigger to reach their max potential.
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Re: Concerns about McFadden's size

Postby BirdBrain » Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:42 pm

Well looking at last years list guys like Forte ,Slaton and Johnson all did very well and had a lot of carries...while the top 5 didn't do anything...granted Mendenhall was injured early...not leg related..opportunity still appears to be the RB's best friend..


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Re: Concerns about McFadden's size

Postby Pudge » Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:50 pm

Good point BB. There are more capable RBs out there than there are NFL teams. In the right scheme and with the right opportunity, there are probably 50 or so guys in the league today that could be 1000-yard rushers.
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Re: Concerns about McFadden's size

Postby widetrak21 » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:09 pm

Greene and Donald Brown are the big sleepers to me in this rb class. Really really productive backs. Man thats a deep list.
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