It is currently Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:13 am

All times are UTC - 4 hours [ DST ]





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: ESPN's _McShay 2.0
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:07 pm 
Offline
2009 Mock Contest Winner
2009 Mock Contest Winner
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:16 am
Posts: 12232
Location: Aschaffenburg, Germany
Originally Published: February 10, 2010
O-line and D-line take over top 10
Updated top 10 includes only one skill player and one defensive back

By Todd McShay
ESPN.com
Archive
Much has been made of the strength of the 2010 defensive tackle class, and the fact that the first two picks in Scouts Inc.'s latest first-round projection are defensive tackles is no surprise.

However, the offensive tackles are coming on strong, and we now project four offensive tackles to come off the board in the first eight picks. Add a pair of defensive ends to the players mentioned above, and you have eight linemen among the first 10 picks.

That leaves little room at the top for skill players and defensive backs, and some of the biggest names on our board have slipped significantly in our latest projection.

Here's how we see things shaking out now that the college all-star games are over and prospects are preparing for the upcoming NFL combine.


St. Louis RamsRecord: 1-15Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma
The Rams have a poor track record when it comes to drafting defensive linemen early, and now they have a tough choice to make between the stronger, more instinctive Ndamukong Suh and the quicker, more disruptive McCoy. Coach Steve Spagnuolo is looking for defensive linemen who can penetrate, which is why we think McCoy could be the top overall pick.

Detroit LionsRecord: 2-14Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
The Lions will gladly take Suh here. He won't provide the pass-rush production of McCoy, but he is a force versus the run and he consistently disrupts passing windows thanks to his excellent instincts and long arms.

Tampa Bay BuccaneersRecord: 3-13Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South Florida
The Bucs will consider Tennessee S Eric Berry here, but they are in dire need of a speed rusher and Pierre-Paul is the most explosive one this draft class has to offer.

Washington RedskinsRecord: 4-12Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers
Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford has enough physical and mental tools to develop into a good NFL starter eventually. However, he also enters the league with enough question marks (shoulder injury, spread offensive system, etc.) for a team like the Redskins to pass and fill one of several other holes. Solidifying its offensive line should be Washington's top priority, and Davis is the most naturally gifted tackle in this year's deep group. Two other options at tackle are Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) and Bryan Bulaga (Iowa).

Kansas City ChiefsRecord: 4-12Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
Berry could make a huge impact in the Chiefs' secondary as well, but Kansas City has too much work still to do at core positions to spend No. 5 money on a safety. The offensive line needs to be solidified, and that could happen by bringing in Okung, who has a quick first step, good power and a mean streak.

Seattle SeahawksRecord: 5-11Bryan Bulaga*, OT, Iowa
Look for Seattle to pass on a quarterback in the top 10 for the second straight year. Finding a replacement for Walter Jones at left tackle is the more immediate need, and the team will get a safer prospect there than at quarterback. Bulaga still has room to improve in pass protection, but he displays the feet and balance to develop into a very good overall starting left tackle in the NFL.

Cleveland BrownsRecord: 5-11Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee
Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant will be tough to pass up here, but the Browns did spend a pair of second-round picks on WRs Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi last year. Berry has the talent and experience to make the kind of impact for the Browns that perennial Pro Bowler Ed Reed made for the Ravens early in his career.

Oakland RaidersRecord: 5-11Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Considering the team has used high draft picks on a quarterback (JaMarcus Russell), running back (Darren McFadden) and wide receiver (Darrius Heyward-Bey) in recent years, it would make sense to shift the focus to the offensive line this April. Both of the Raiders' starting offensive tackles (Mario Henderson and Cornell Green) are below average, and Williams has the physical tools and toughness to provide an upgrade at one of those two spots immediately.

Buffalo BillsRecord: 6-11Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Offensive tackle and quarterback are chief among the Bills' needs, and they should draft a tackle if Davis, Okung or Bulaga is available. This scenario has them selecting the top quarterback prospect in the 2010 class, though. Bradford is a bit of a project because of his slight frame and the spread system he played in at Oklahoma, but he has the football intelligence and accuracy to be molded into a good starter in the NFL.

Jacksonville Jaguars**Record: 7-9Derrick Morgan*, DE, Georgia Tech
Morgan will not wow scouts with his results at the combine, but he is a high-motor, technically sound player who can pressure the quarterback and set the edge against the run. He has the physical tools to develop into a good every-down starter at the next level.

Denver Broncos** (from 7-9 Chicago)Record: 6-7Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma State
Denver still has needs along its offensive and defensive fronts as well as in the secondary, but it will be tough to pass on the clear-cut No. 1 wideout in this year's class should Bryant fall to the Broncos.

Miami DolphinsRecord: 7-9Rolando McClain*, ILB, Alabama
Bryant falling to No. 12 would be a dream scenario for the Dolphins, but if he is off the board, look for Miami to target a top talent in the defensive front seven. McClain is NFL-ready with the size, straight-line speed and work ethic to win a starting inside linebacker job immediately.

San Francisco 49ersRecord: 8-8Joe Haden*, CB, Florida
The 49ers could go in several directions with this pick, including quarterback, offensive line or a pass-rusher, but they wouldn't go wrong taking a top-10 skill player like Haden at this spot.

Seattle Seahawks (from 8-8 Denver)Record: 5-11C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen might be a possibility here, but we do not believe he's worthy of a first-round selection. After finding a left tackle at No. 6, it would make sense for the Seahawks to use this pick on a difference-maker like Spiller. Running backs generally are not worth drafting this high, but Spiller has additional value due to his home run ability as a receiver and return man.

New York GiantsRecord: 8-8Brian Price*, DT, UCLA
The Giants need to retool the middle of their defense, and Price would be a good player to start with. He possesses the quickness and power to develop into a disruptive playmaker who can get into opposing backfields.

San Francisco** (from 8-8 Carolina)Record: 8-8Mike Iupati, OT/G, Idaho
Iupati is a fast-rising guard/right tackle prospect who is strong and nasty and would fit in nicely with coach Mike Singletary's hard-nosed brand of football.

Tennessee Titans**Record: 8-8Carlos Dunlap*, DE, Florida
Dunlap is a bit immature and there are questions about his work ethic, but he also possesses a rare combination of size and athleticism for a defensive end. The Titans have enough veteran leadership on that side of the ball to pull the trigger here on a developmental project like Dunlap.

Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 9-7Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
The Steelers would like to use this pick on a top offensive line prospect like Iupati or Trent Williams, but with both off the board, they will avoid reaching for another offensive lineman. They also will avoid stretching for a tackle like Maryland's Bruce Campbell to go for value with Dan Williams, who has the size and strength to develop into the eventual replacement for NT Casey Hampton, who is set to become a free agent.

Atlanta Falcons**Record: 9-7Kareem Jackson*, CB, Alabama
The Falcons need to improve their secondary talent after getting shredded through the air this past season. Jackson is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2010 class, and has the size, agility and balance to hold up in bump-and-run coverage on the perimeter. Plus, Jackson's instincts and technique are outstanding, so he should be ready to play as a rookie despite leaving school a year early.

Houston Texans**Record: 9-7Earl Thomas*, S, Texas
Thomas is undersized but physical enough to play safety in the NFL if used properly. Regardless, he's one of the three most talented defensive backs in the 2010 class, and the Texans could use an upgrade at both free safety and cornerback, so Thomas is a fit no matter where he ends up playing.

Cincinnati BengalsRecord:10-6Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
The Bengals are likely to use an early-round selection on a tight end, and while Gresham is a risk due to knee injuries (torn left ACL in high school, season-ending cartilage damage to right knee in 2009), his combination of size and athleticism is rare and he can stretch the seam effectively.

New England PatriotsRecord: 10-6Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
Graham is a bit undersized to play a traditional defensive end role, and he does not have the ideal athleticism you want in an outside linebacker. If used properly, though, Graham can excel in the NFL, and he appears to be in Bill Belichick's wheelhouse with his nonstop motor, excellent technique and good overall football intelligence.

Green Bay PackersRecord: 11-5Bruce Campbell*, OT, Maryland
Campbell will turn some heads with his performance at the combine. However, while he might have the best combination of physical tools in this year's offensive tackle class, we expect Campbell to slip to the bottom half of the first round due to injury concerns and below-average technique.

Philadelphia EaglesRecord: 11-5Taylor Mays, S, USC
The Eagles need a replacement for the physical presence former defensive leader Brian Dawkins took with him when he left for Denver. Mays is a bit of a liability in deep coverage and he needs to learn to wrap up more consistently as a tackler, but it is hard to imagine a player with his combination of size, straight-line speed and explosive hitting falling out of the first round.

Baltimore RavensRecord: 9-7Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
Wilson is a fast-rising prospect after showcasing his upper-echelon bump-and-run coverage skills at the Senior Bowl. A cornerback-needy team like the Ravens could easily pull the trigger on Wilson late in the first round.

Arizona CardinalsRecord: 10-6Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas
Kindle is a bit overrated, but we do think he is worth a pick at this point in the first round. The Cardinals could put him to work as a situational edge rusher early in his career while he works on getting bigger and stronger in order to hold up better versus the run.

Dallas CowboysRecord: 11-5Nate Allen, S, South Florida
Allen is far from a first-round lock, but the Cowboys need to improve their athleticism at safety, and Allen has the right combination of speed and fluidity in coverage to help fix the problem.

San Diego ChargersRecord: 13-3Jahvid Best*, RB, California
Best's draft stock could take a big hit depending on how the medical reports (back/neck, concussion) from the combine look. Assuming he checks out, Best likely will be high on the Chargers' board, along with Dan Williams, fellow RBs Ryan Mathews (Fresno State) and Jonathan Dwyer (Georgia Tech), and DT/DE Jared Odrick (Penn State). A healthy Best gets the nod thanks to his game-breaking speed.

New York JetsRecord: 9-7Arrelious Benn*, WR, Illinois
The Jets need perimeter weapons for QB Mark Sanchez to throw to, and Benn is a better prospect than his 2009 production might indicate. He played through a nagging ankle injury and his quarterback was inconsistent, but Benn shows good initial burst and the ability to generate yards after the catch. Still, he needs to be more consistent catching the ball away from his body and must become a more savvy route runner.

Minnesota VikingsRecord: 12-4Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
The Vikings have proved they will take the best player available on the board, and in this scenario, Odrick fits the bill and would be groomed as an eventual replacement for aging DT Pat Williams. Other possibilities include Clausen, ILB Brandon Spikes (Florida), TE Anthony McCoy (USC) and C/G Maurkice Pouncey (Florida).

Indianapolis ColtsRecord: 14-2Maurkice Pouncey*, OL, Florida
Odrick would make sense if he was still on the board, or the Colts could reach for an athletic offensive tackle like USC's Charles Brown. But Pouncey is a gifted interior lineman with the quick feet, versatility and football intelligence to help the Colts solidify their interior offensive line.

New Orleans SaintsRecord: 13-3Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri
Weatherspoon is expected to turn some heads at the combine with his speed, and we're hearing that some teams grade him out as a mid-first-round pick. We're not quite as high on Weatherspoon because we question his ability to play in space, but the Super Bowl champs are expected to focus on upgrading the speed and athleticism of their defense, and Weatherspoon fits the mold.

* Denotes underclassmen

_________________


Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.
Vince Lombardi





Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: ESPN's _McShay 2.0
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:29 pm 
Offline
Starter
Starter

Joined: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:48 pm
Posts: 50
This mock draft couldnt be more jacked up and off point.

The rams taking McCoy over Suh? Seriously?

Jason pierre paul going #3? He had average numbers, and played only one year of division one football.

The Sehawks taking Buluga? really? How is the 3rd rated Tackle gonna get picked over elite players at their other positions of need ex. RB(Spiller), QB(Bradford/Clausen), DE(Morgan), S(Berry)?

His top ten was so stupid I didnt even bother reading the rest.


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: ESPN's _McShay 2.0
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:25 pm 
Offline
Purveyor of Truth & Justice
Purveyor of Truth & Justice
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:03 pm
Posts: 25932
Location: North Carolina
I don't think I can agree with the mock, but just to play devil's advocate:

1) As the mock says, McCoy is a better pass rusher than Suh. If the Rams are looking to enhance their pass rush, then drafting McCoy over Suh makes perfect sense. It remains to be seen if Suh will live up to his potential as a pass rusher.

2) If Pierre-Paul has as good a combine as many are thinking he could, then he could easily jump up in the draft. He didn't have average numbers. That's only to a person that doesn't consider stats beyond sacks. Pay attention to his tackles for loss (16.5), which is far more indicative of how much a guy is an impact player in college than pure sacks.

3) Bulaga is a very good OT prospect that it wouldn't be wrong for folks to compare him to Joe Thomas and Jake Long, both Top 3 picks. When all is said and done, I think he'll be a Top 10 pick.

Now I can agree with you that they have Bradford going very low and Clausen not even in the 1st round, and I think that's pretty crazy considering need at that position. But the Seahawks do need to improve their O-line very badly, which has been a bigger reason for their offensive struggles over the past few years than anything else.

Spiller is not going to be a Top 10 pick. So he's not an elite prospect. Morgan is borderline. Berry is a safety, so he won't go as high as many mocks project (like in the Top 3) simply because people won't be able to justify paying him all that money for 195-pound safety.

_________________
"Vincere scis, Hannibal, victoria uti nescis" -- Maharbal, 216 B.C.E.


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: ESPN's _McShay 2.0
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:01 pm 
Offline
Superstar
Superstar
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:30 pm
Posts: 2347
Quote:
Atlanta Falcons**Record: 9-7Kareem Jackson*, CB, Alabama
The Falcons need to improve their secondary talent after getting shredded through the air this past season. Jackson is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2010 class, and has the size, agility and balance to hold up in bump-and-run coverage on the perimeter. Plus, Jackson's instincts and technique are outstanding, so he should be ready to play as a rookie despite leaving school a year early.


Man, I don't remember noticing him nearly as much as say Arenas fwiw.

_________________
Good is the Worst Enemy of Great


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: ESPN's _McShay 2.0
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:15 pm 
Offline
2009 Mock Contest Winner
2009 Mock Contest Winner
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:16 am
Posts: 12232
Location: Aschaffenburg, Germany
widetrak21 wrote:
Quote:
Atlanta Falcons**Record: 9-7Kareem Jackson*, CB, Alabama
The Falcons need to improve their secondary talent after getting shredded through the air this past season. Jackson is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2010 class, and has the size, agility and balance to hold up in bump-and-run coverage on the perimeter. Plus, Jackson's instincts and technique are outstanding, so he should be ready to play as a rookie despite leaving school a year early.


Man, I don't remember noticing him nearly as much as say Arenas fwiw.


WT, he was the "man" in the Bama secondary. Arenas made quite a few big plays, and was great on special teams. But Jackson was very consistent playing the other teams #1 receiver. He will be a very good CB in the NFL.

As far as what El Dodo said, he has zero credibility as far as the draft goes. There is a reason the players are ranked this way. McShay is in a ESPN battle with Kiper every year to see who does the best with their respective mocks.It is still very early as far as mocks go. Before the combines, and free agency have concluded both try to set a level of disagreement in order to have the flexibility to move their picks around the board. McShay's board has to look much different from Kipers early on in the process to drive the competition. His board will look much different when he posts his last mock. Kitty shouldn't react so negatively to an early mock, there are thousands out there, each with some good points/bad points. I can tell you right now though, there will not be a certain ex-ND QB in the top ten picks.

_________________


Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.
Vince Lombardi





Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: ESPN's _McShay 2.0
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:17 pm 
Offline
Purveyor of Truth & Justice
Purveyor of Truth & Justice
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:03 pm
Posts: 25932
Location: North Carolina
Jackson is a much better corner than Arenas, IMO. I don't think he has great upside to be a star corner, but he should be a solid to good starter. There really isn't a flaw in his game, although he's not the biggest guy and isn't great in run support.

_________________
"Vincere scis, Hannibal, victoria uti nescis" -- Maharbal, 216 B.C.E.


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: ESPN's _McShay 2.0
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:42 pm 
Offline
Starter
Starter

Joined: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:48 pm
Posts: 50
BirdBrain wrote:
widetrak21 wrote:
Quote:
Atlanta Falcons**Record: 9-7Kareem Jackson*, CB, Alabama
The Falcons need to improve their secondary talent after getting shredded through the air this past season. Jackson is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2010 class, and has the size, agility and balance to hold up in bump-and-run coverage on the perimeter. Plus, Jackson's instincts and technique are outstanding, so he should be ready to play as a rookie despite leaving school a year early.


Man, I don't remember noticing him nearly as much as say Arenas fwiw.


WT, he was the "man" in the Bama secondary. Arenas made quite a few big plays, and was great on special teams. But Jackson was very consistent playing the other teams #1 receiver. He will be a very good CB in the NFL.

As far as what El Dodo said, he has zero credibility as far as the draft goes. There is a reason the players are ranked this way. McShay is in a ESPN battle with Kiper every year to see who does the best with their respective mocks.It is still very early as far as mocks go. Before the combines, and free agency have concluded both try to set a level of disagreement in order to have the flexibility to move their picks around the board. McShay's board has to look much different from Kipers early on in the process to drive the competition. His board will look much different when he posts his last mock. Kitty shouldn't react so negatively to an early mock, there are thousands out there, each with some good points/bad points. I can tell you right now though, there will not be a certain ex-ND QB in the top ten picks.


Your sophmoric insults are pathetic. What you dont seem to realize is that we are NFL fans posting opinions on a message board. My opinion is just as valuable as yours. Just because you are corny enough to self-promote yourself as a "draft guru" doesnt mean you are one.

If you think this is a good mock, than debate with me why it is. If your going to continue to agree with my assertion that this mock is off target and foolish, than you can do so without making baseless assertions about the credibility of someone you dont even know.


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject: Re: ESPN's _McShay 2.0
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:18 pm 
Offline
Superstar
Superstar
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:30 pm
Posts: 2347
Quote:
McShay is in a ESPN battle with Kiper


I've grown to like McShay more than Kiper, just never been a huge fan, plus I'm not sure that he's really that accurate at the end of the day.

I've really grown to like Mayock on NFL network the best. He doesn't BS, isn't afraid to rank them his own way, plus he can backup what he says. The other two are more for ratings imo.

_________________
Good is the Worst Enemy of Great


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: ESPN's _McShay 2.0
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:15 pm 
Offline
2009 Mock Contest Winner
2009 Mock Contest Winner
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:16 am
Posts: 12232
Location: Aschaffenburg, Germany
El gato wrote:
BirdBrain wrote:
widetrak21 wrote:
Quote:
Atlanta Falcons**Record: 9-7Kareem Jackson*, CB, Alabama
The Falcons need to improve their secondary talent after getting shredded through the air this past season. Jackson is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2010 class, and has the size, agility and balance to hold up in bump-and-run coverage on the perimeter. Plus, Jackson's instincts and technique are outstanding, so he should be ready to play as a rookie despite leaving school a year early.


Man, I don't remember noticing him nearly as much as say Arenas fwiw.


WT, he was the "man" in the Bama secondary. Arenas made quite a few big plays, and was great on special teams. But Jackson was very consistent playing the other teams #1 receiver. He will be a very good CB in the NFL.

As far as what El Dodo said, he has zero credibility as far as the draft goes. There is a reason the players are ranked this way. McShay is in a ESPN battle with Kiper every year to see who does the best with their respective mocks.It is still very early as far as mocks go. Before the combines, and free agency have concluded both try to set a level of disagreement in order to have the flexibility to move their picks around the board. McShay's board has to look much different from Kipers early on in the process to drive the competition. His board will look much different when he posts his last mock. Kitty shouldn't react so negatively to an early mock, there are thousands out there, each with some good points/bad points. I can tell you right now though, there will not be a certain ex-ND QB in the top ten picks.


Your sophmoric insults are pathetic. What you dont seem to realize is that we are NFL fans posting opinions on a message board. My opinion is just as valuable as yours. Just because you are corny enough to self-promote yourself as a "draft guru" doesnt mean you are one.

If you think this is a good mock, than debate with me why it is. If your going to continue to agree with my assertion that this mock is off target and foolish, than you can do so without making baseless assertions about the credibility of someone you dont even know.


First of all it isn't "self promotion". The Draft Guru symbol was earned by winning the contest that Pudge holds each year. A contest that you could have entered as well. But sadly it appears El Gato has been neutered.

I like being sophmoric (sic) or as us sophomores say..sophomoric. Levity is much better IMHO than a simple meow. I didn't put a value on your opinion, i just dismissed it.

The point being that mocks this early aren't really meant to be taken seriously, which apparently you were suckered into believing. I was just trying to help you understand why the mock appeared to be somewhat different than what you may have created in your head. Your overreaction to it made it apparent that you lacked some inherent "Draft sensibilities". Debating a mock this early is really a waste of time, as all of the facts haven't been presented yet. Look behind the curtain sometimes Kitty...and please join the contest this year.

_________________


Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.
Vince Lombardi





Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 4 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to: