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 Post subject: NFR: Shawn Andrews: Philly was a Living Hell
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:09 am 
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Andrews says time in Philly was 'living hell'
Donovan McNabb mocked him during emotional speech

By CHRIS KORMAN

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Shawn Andrews had a short, enigmatic run with the Philadelphia Eagles. Injured in the first game of his rookie season, the offensive lineman came back to make the Pro Bowl three years in a row before mysteriously leaving the team briefly, only later saying he was being treated for depression, in 2008. He dealt with a series of back injuries, too, and like so many NFL careers, his dissipated unremarkably.

Now, spurred on by the bullying of Jonathan Martin by Richie Incognito, Andrews has decided to describe his troubles dealing with the culture of the Eagles’ locker room. He has twice criticized former quarterback Donovan McNabb, first to a Philadelphia radio station and now in an interview with Sync Weekly, a magazine affiliated with the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.

His summary — “It just felt like I was in a living hell,” — is sweeping across the internet.

The details he provides aren’t nearly as attention-grabbing as that voice mail Incognito left Martin. His story, though, underscores the need for change in the NFL.

We learned that much from the way many NFL players shrugged off Incognito’s use of insensitive and threatening language. It did not register with them that this is not something considered OK in the course of normal life, or that there are people — even ones good at football — who would struggle to deal with it. They also failed to recognize any sign of distress in Martin, a teammate they spent so much time with.

Andrews, an All-Pro caliber player, felt similarly ignored, even after requesting a trade and despite making an emotional speech to the team about his struggles with depression.

That has to change. As has been said by others, a torn ACL or broken tibia is clearly seen as an injury by NFL players. But they must come to recognize mental issues as being in the same category — especially as we learn more and more about how brain damage can cause depression. Andrews describes a time when he considered purposely flipping his car in hopes of being paralyzed. That’s a sign of mental illness, and it matches thoughts expressed by scores of former players dealing with brain trauma.

To hear Andrews tell it — McNabb defended himself on the radio Wednesday — the Eagles never made it easy for him.

Andrews says his teammates began spreading rumors that he was gay — he is married now and has a child — and that the resulting stigma led him to wait to take showers until after his teammates had left.

He otherwise describes a locker room that looked askance at him because he dared to be a little bit different by doing things like wearing his hair in a brightly dyed mohawk. According to his brother, Stacy, who also played for the Eagles for a short period, the brothers were ostracized, in part, for wearing Vans shoes.

He only directly discusses one person: McNabb, a player generally described as affable if a bit aloof in most media accounts.

Andrews is careful to say that he wouldn’t describe McNabb’s treatment as bullying, and provides an anecdote that seems to represent what many would consider an annoying workplace interaction:

“I could be sitting in the players’ lounge with a group, having some laughs, and [McNabb would] get his say in so the attention can shift. He was the type of person that had everything in the world he could want, but that still wasn’t enough. He wanted the attention on him. There was a whole lot of that behavior. He wasn’t just that way with me. I’m thinking, ‘Every day I strap on my shoulder pads and helmet, I’m here to protect you.’”

Not cool, Donovan. But also nothing beyond what most people deal with in any variety of social situations on a daily basis. There are a lot of people like that.

He also pins McNabb as the source of rumors.

“[McNabb] was a big part of it — he was a big part of my issues there. Bully is a strong word, but he was degrading to me and spread rumors. It’s bothered me that I haven’t really spoken about it.”

McNabb rolled his eyes when Andrews addressed the full team and discussed his absence due to depression, according to the Sync story.

Now that Andrews has spoken about it — and Martin has taken his own path, leaving the Dolphins and sparking an investigation — you wonder how many other disgruntled players will decide to discuss the working conditions inside NFL locker rooms.

Part of this is an old story: Sports teams aren’t the clean, happy bunch of Good Men they’re often made out to be — and very often include dirty, angry men of questionable character.

Andrews learned this early on:

“There were so many people that were Christian and going to church and saying, ‘Rookie, be seen and not heard,’ and then I see them in the back of the club doing some not-so-cool things being married. Everything under the sun — trying to tell you how to act. One guy out of the two who I thought I would fully respect during my time in Philadelphia, one of them let me down big time. Every time you see him, he’d have a Bible in his hand, and be coming from Bible study, but I know so many things about him that so many people would not be happy about.”

Andrews, who retired after one happy season with the Giants and friendly QB Eli Manning, is living in Arkansas and spending time with family. He hopes to become a stand-up comic.

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 Post subject: Re: NFR: Shawn Andrews: Philly was a Living Hell
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:24 am 
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Complaining that they were ostracized over their shoes? REally? "Outing" faux Christians? Drama queen to me. Could it be folks just didn't like him? I had a nephew who when a big family group were on vacation would form his Mohawk into "liberty spikes" before we would all go out to dinner and then would say with biting disdain, "All those people were staring at me!" It was just funny to us because, of course, he was 14. Sounds to me like this guy is just an attention whore. NFL locker rooms sound like high school these days. Can't they all just settle this on Face Book like real men?

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I'm not so dismissive of guys that are battling depression, as Andrews appeared to be doing so. It's that "Be a man and toughen up" attitude that prompts so many men to wind up with their brains splattered on the bathroom wall.

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Pudge wrote:
I'm not so dismissive of guys that are battling depression, as Andrews appeared to be doing so. It's that "Be a man and toughen up" attitude that prompts so many men to wind up with their brains splattered on the bathroom wall.

So what does that have to do with him criticizing McNabb, etc? I don't dismiss depression but the depressed person needs to realize he has a problem...not everyone else.

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So what does that have to do with him criticizing McNabb, etc? I don't dismiss depression but the depressed person needs to realize he has a problem...not everyone else.

He did realize that. He was treated for depression 5 years ago.

I think his criticism of McNabb and "attention-whoring" as you put it is because he feels that his situation in Philadelphia is comparable to the current headline-getting situation in Miami with Jonathan Martin.

Maybe you see that as him trying to gain attention, or maybe it's a person who dealt with some real stuff because he wasn't "tough enough" trying to help/defend another player that has been getting a lot more backlash for not being "tough enough."

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Pudge wrote:
backnblack wrote:
So what does that have to do with him criticizing McNabb, etc? I don't dismiss depression but the depressed person needs to realize he has a problem...not everyone else.

He did realize that. He was treated for depression 5 years ago.

I think his criticism of McNabb and "attention-whoring" as you put it is because he feels that his situation in Philadelphia is comparable to the current headline-getting situation in Miami with Jonathan Martin.

Maybe you see that as him trying to gain attention, or maybe it's a person who dealt with some real stuff because he wasn't "tough enough" trying to help/defend another player that has been getting a lot more backlash for not being "tough enough."

Or a guy who wants to get into show business getting some cheap publicity. America uses 85% of the world's prescription drugs. Isn't it amazing how many of us are depressed, ADD, ADHD, bi-polar, etc. compared to everywhere else?

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 Post subject: Re: NFR: Shawn Andrews: Philly was a Living Hell
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Yes, we are an overmedicated country. But does that mean that everyone that is treated for those issues doesn't have them?

Clearly, I have much more sympathy for Andrews than you do. I'll leave it at that.

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Yes, Pudge, that means everyone in our country who takes medicine is over medicated. :roll:

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