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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:34 pm 
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All eyes on Bush
Will Reggie report on time? Will he be Saints' savior?
Posted: Friday May 26, 2006 12:22PM; Updated: Saturday May 27, 2006 1:23AM


Reggie Bush wore number 5 when he first showed up at Saints minicamp, but he won't be wearing that number during the season. While I'm glad the NFL didn't make an exception and allow Reggie Bush to wear number 5, I'm more intrigued with another Bush drama these days: Will the former USC star be a holdout when training camp opens this summer?

In mid-May, Bush virtually ruled out a holdout. "I told my agent I want to be here in camp on time, whatever it takes," Bush told the New Orleans Times-Picayune. "I don't want to get caught up in holdouts or things like that."

Then this week, Bush came out with a verbal shift as nifty as one of his football moves. While reiterating his desire to attend camp on time, Bush told ESPN's Len Pasquarelli: "[Agent Joel Segal] knows we have to have a fair offer, one that meets our expectations."

I'm willing to bet that the Saints' definition of fair won't mesh with Bush's expectations. After coming tantalizingly close to being the top pick, Bush probably wants at least the same amount as No. 1 overall pick Mario Williams, who signed a six-year, $54 million deal, which included about $26 million in guarantees, with the Texans.

I can't fault Bush for wanting top dollar. He has drawn comparisons to Gale Sayers and been trumpeted as New Orleans' ostensible savior. Franchise Saints don't come cheaply. But if New Orleans' proposal is only slightly less than what Williams got, Bush should sign ASAP.

Hurricane Katrina has caused the population within the New Orleans city limits to plummet, reportedly by more than half, to about 200,000. And Bush squabbling over money in a city where many residents live in poverty will threaten the lovefest between him and his fans. Bush's image, besmirched in some eyes by his parents' housing brouhaha, would risk taking another blow. (One thing that could work in Bush's favor, though, is owner Tom Benson's reputation for being frugal. Benson has been reviled in New Orleans since reports came out last year that he wanted to move the franchise to San Antonio. If Bush holds out, fans might just blame Benson first.)

Serious discussions with top picks generally don't occur until early July, after teams make roster moves to increase cap space. And Segal may wait for No. 3 pick Vince Young to cut a deal with Tennessee. That way, Bush doesn't risk seeing Young sign a better contract. Keep in mind that last year, most first-round picks -- 23 to be exact -- held out, if only briefly, because of contract issues. So I'm not overly optimistic that Bush won't hold out.

Beyond the public ramifications of a holdout, Bush can't afford to miss any camp as he tries to master New Orleans' playbook. New coach Sean Payton has devised unconventional plays to use Deuce McAllister and Bush in the same backfield, and we all know that practice makes perfect.

Moreover, last year's draft provided cautionary tales of top tailbacks holding out: Cedric Benson, drafted fourth overall by the Bears, missed a month of training camp and became a bit player in Chicago's improbable 11-4 season, suffering a knee injury that caused him to miss six weeks. He finished with 67 carries for 272 yards while playing behind Thomas Jones.

Miami's Ronnie Brown, the No. 2 pick, also held out. For most of the season, Brown was overshadowed by the only top rookie tailback who didn't miss any camp: Tampa Bay's Cadillac Williams. The No. 5 overall selection, Williams rushed for an NFL rookie-record 434 yards in his first three games before being slowed by injuries.

Bush, however, may face more pressure than any rookie running back in recent years. He is viewed as a transcendent athlete -- a role he has embraced: "I could help bring some smiles back to the faces of New Orleans," he said.

I've always considered it hokey that a professional athlete can "save" a region. But there's no doubt that Bush has provided hope to a moribund franchise and to a beleaguered city.

Quarterback Drew Brees' signing with the Saints in March spurred ticket sales. The drafting of Bush caused such a spike that last week the club announced the sale of a record 55,000 season tickets, virtually ensuring a sellout for every game at the 65,000-seat Superdome this season. That's remarkable considering the Saints went 3-13 last season.

Bush will be the third anointed savior in the franchise's 40-year history, following in the footsteps of quarterback Archie Manning and tailback Ricky Williams, neither of whom helped the Saints to a Super Bowl. The franchise has won only one playoff game, when Williams was injured in 2001

All eyes will be on Bush and his won't be an easy task. Despite averaging 7.3 yards per rushing attempt last season at USC, Bush will have to make adjustments in his rookie season. In the NFL, the holes will close quicker, the defenders will hit harder, opponents won't regularly have inferior talent. The NFL's season, including exhibitions, is about twice as long as a college season.

So for Bush to reach such high -- perhaps quixotic -- expectations, it's critical that he's in camp on time.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ush/index.html

Well, well, well,...so are we still afraid of Bush?,...I bet there's still some Falcons fans that say yes they are. But here's the thing that Nunyo mentioned that hit the proverbial nail on the head,...Will Benson shell out the big money AS HE SHOULD? Selling out the Superdome for the season is huge and that's huge revenue intake. Once the previous Falcons owner said the franchise lost $10 mil one year and that was a lie,...all NFL franchises makes money and with the new Socialistic CBA that ensures smaller market teams receive monies from larger market teams each year, they're making even more money than ever.

So as Nunyo always does,...going right the heart of the matter by mentioning Benson's propensity to be frugal,...he brings to light a possible holdout by Bush and that would be devastating to the Saints early on and into the 2006 season.


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Yeah, I'm still "scared" of Bush. His holdout is a boost for us when it comes to our Week 3 matchup, but it's not going to mean much when it comes to when we play the Saints late in the year.

I just find it so interesting that I'm among a minority of Falcon fans that actually have apprehension when it comes to Bush. It's like me and 2 other people actually watched him play football last year, and recognize his capabilities. I think its just Falcon fans being spoiled because we have Michael Vick, and some false belief that as long as we have Michael Vick, there is nobody in the NFL that should strike fear into our hearts. It's like people believe that rookie running backs aren't likely to have big impacts. Well if you look at Top 5 RBs drafted in the past 7 drafts, they averaged over 1000 yards as rookies. And that's if you consider Bush to be "average" when compared to the likes of Edgerrin James, Ricky Williams, LT, Jamal Lewis, and Cadillac Williams over that span. It's like only 3 of us realize how difficult a player like Bush is to gameplan against, whether he lives up to that ability or not. It's like only 3 of us realize its the same way with Vick, whether you think he is going to or capable of rushing for 100 yards and throwing for 250 yards against you in a game, you still have to gameplan for it, which makes you open for other players to drive the dagger in you, which has been somewhat the case the past 2 years with Dunn and Crumpler, and hopefully in the future with White and Jenkins. It's like only 3 of us did not notice how difficult it was for the Falcons defense to stop Antowain Smith and Aaron Stecker last year, and now we have to deal with Deuce and Reggie.

I don't think people should be trembling in the corner with their thumb in their mouth when it comes to thinking about Bush. But to me, you should at least be a little tentative about the potential. I mean, it is basically has the potential to go beyond the best case scenario for a combination like Dunn and Duckett. Think of the very best you've seen from Warrick Dunn, and add some more to it, and then you have Bush's potential. Holdout or not, he's probably going to be a force for years to come in this division. And that's what scares me more, is that whatever impact he has this year (which I suspect will be substantial if not huge), it's only going to grow in future years.

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ahhhh,...it took you a while but you finally got to it,...potential.

Okay,...am not saying Bush won't be a force to reckon with. Not saying Bush will be a bust,...never intended to come off that way. I am saying that he's still a college player and he will be until he gets his ass blasted by a Brooking or a Morgan.

You gave great examples of rookie RBs and I wish to ask you to not place words in my posts. I never said Bush is average.

And then ya gotta study the new coaching staff for the Aints Pudge. Guess what they're gonna do man? They plan to have Bush and Duece both in the backfield at the same time,...just like a writer for the AJ&C suggested the Falcons should've done when the Falcons acquired Dunn then drafted Duckett. This means Bush will be another Brian Westbrook dude. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it,...but Bush ain't gonna be running between the tackles.

It's pretty much common sense to realize that any O-coordinator in the NFL that had Bush as an arsenal would want him in open space with the football. I suggest you re-read Nunyo's article, especially the part about,..."All eyes will be on Bush and his won't be an easy task. Despite averaging 7.3 yards per rushing attempt last season at USC, Bush will have to make adjustments in his rookie season. In the NFL, the holes will close quicker, the defenders will hit harder, opponents won't regularly have inferior talent. The NFL's season, including exhibitions, is about twice as long as a college season."

Bush enjoyed running behind, when he did actually rush the football his dozen carries a game, a huge and seasoned O-line at USC. He ran against a conference opponents that wouldn't have won 2 games if they were playing in the SEC. So you can place Bush on your pedestal Pudge,...I won't on mine as of yet.


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In the NFL, the holes will close quicker, the defenders will hit harder, opponents won't regularly have inferior talent. The NFL's season, including exhibitions, is about twice as long as a college season."

Bush enjoyed running behind, when he did actually rush the football his dozen carries a game, a huge and seasoned O-line at USC. He ran against a conference opponents that wouldn't have won 2 games if they were playing in the SEC.


They said the exact, and I do mean exact same things about Tomlinson. DO you realize that many "draft experts" had Tomlinson rated as a mid-round pick up until the final months before the draft. I recall throughout the 2000 college football season that Tomlinson was said to be a good runner, but because he is playing in the WAC at TCU, his production has to be adjusted. I believed much of this talk in my naivete, then finally got to see LT play in his bowl game that year, and I was blown away. He wasn't just good, he was great. So all that talk of James Jackson, LaMont Jordan, Deuce McAllister, MIchael Bennett, etc. being better players was just a crock to me.

I've been scouting the draft and the NFL off and on since 2001 Draft (same one as Vick & LT). And in my experience, I've discovered that the RB position is the easiest one to scout. It really only takes 2 skills to be a top RB in the NFL: 1) Vision and 2) Acceleration. It's why Jerome Bettis at age 33 was still a better runner than T.J. Duckett at 25, because Bettis still had great vision and acceleration. It's why Duckett has never ascended to that level, because when he came into the league, those 2 aspects were his weakest areas. It's why Warrick Dunn has been able to have a relatively long NFL career despite being tiny and 30 pounds underweight by NFL standards because has oustanding vision and acceleration.

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This means Bush will be another Brian Westbrook dude. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it,...but Bush ain't gonna be running between the tackles.

Bush is solid in between the tackles. He reminds me of Tiki Barber when it comes to his in between the tackles running.

IMO, Bush's progression through the past 3 years has been outstanding. He began his career as a guy that was more return threat than running threat. It's why when Bush was being lauded 2 or so years ago, I wasn't on the bandwagon. IMO, at that time, LenDale White was clearly the better RB. Why? Because IMO, White was tougher, and he seemed to have a better package of vision & acceleration out of the backfield. But Bush this past year has turned into a truly complete RB. He runs tough inside the tackles. Perhaps you may wonder why Bush is so hyped coming out of college, when you perhaps don't see all that is special in him. Well, I'll try to explain it from my perspective. Bush's vision and acceleration IMO are as polished as any college runner I've ever seen, and I've only been paying close attention for 5 or so years. And factor in that I thought very highly of Tomlinson when he was coming into the league and I've believed for the past 5 years that LT has been the best back in the league, since he came in just as Marshall Faulk's career took a dip. And I'm sure that other "experts" will go back even further, perhaps to the 80s, which is why Bush is so often compared with guys like Sanders and Sayers, rather than Dunn, Barber, Westbrook, and Faulk. Because he outshines his contemporaries when it comes to his abilities at such a young age. And to think all 4 of those current backs I compared him to were outstanding in college. All that to me indicates why Bush is going to be a very very very good, if not great NFL player. Barring injury or off-field issues in the same mold as Ki-Jana Carter or Lawrence Phillips, Bush is going to be very very good. Whether that means he winds up with a HOF career, that's hard to say.

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And then ya gotta study the new coaching staff for the Aints Pudge. Guess what they're gonna do man? They plan to have Bush and Duece both in the backfield at the same time,...just like a writer for the AJ&C suggested the Falcons should've done when the Falcons acquired Dunn then drafted Duckett. This means Bush will be another Brian Westbrook dude. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it,...but Bush ain't gonna be running between the tackles.

Yes, I've studied the Aints coaching staff. They are led by offensive coaches that have worked with Charlie Garner, Eddie George, Tiki Barber, Julius Jones, Curtis Martin, Ricky Watters, and Duce Staley, and Rodney Hampton. So IMO, they are going to know how to use Reggie Bush effectively, because they've worked with every type of RB there is. They're going to mold that football team around the abilities of Reggie Bush. Up front, instead of the Jermane Mayberrys and Montrae Hollands that the previous Saints caoching staff preferred, they'll be getting more of the Jammal Browns and Jeff Faine type blockers. If you ask me, Deuce McAllister will no longer be a Saint in 2008, perhaps even 2007. And like it was with the Falcons, Deuce & Reggie in the backfield together is going to be uncommon. The writing is on the wall for Deuce McAllister, just as it was when they had Ricky Williams and drafted Deuce. He's gone within 2 years. So this notion of Bush being a situational back is probably only to last a month or so, even with his holdout.

Deuce is not back from his injury. When the season starts he'll only be 11 months after recovery. Remember how limited Jamal was 9 and 10 months back from his ACL tear during the training camp of 2000? That gives Bush enormous opportunity to run away with the starting job. But a holdout hurts those chances. But let's say Bush does hold out and gives Deuce a chance to win his starting gig again. Deuce is coming off an injury that takes 18 months before the players is really back into older form. So that means Deuce is going to be playing this entire year at less than 100%. And also considering that I don't believe the Saints will be winning a ton of football games this year, also will favor Bush heavily. I believe the Saints will probably only win 5 or 6 games this year, and with such a likely slow start, the coaching staff will receive pressure to get Bush longer and better looks. So perhaps we may be saved from Reggie in September, but I suspect by November and December, he'll be the lead rusher.

Maybe I should summarize by saying that there is a very good reason why Reggie Bush is the most hyped prospect since Michael Vick. The writer indicates he doesn't quite believe in saviors, well he should look no further than No. 7 here in Atlanta. Now, I don't believe Bush is going to "save the region." That region of the U.S.'s problems far exceed anything that football can fix. But he's going to save football in the town of New Orleans. He'll be a welcome distraction to the people of that region, who don't have a lot to look forward to but at least for the next few years can look forward to Sunday afternoons.

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Speculation my friend,...we have several points of debate that'll all come out in the wash this Fall. Make sure you've saved all these posts,...lol I have.;)


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