Cyril wrote:Yet when Turner was having all those fumbles Coach Smith didn't take Turner out or limit his carries. You were screaming for Turner to be taken out but Coach Smith didn't waffle one bit!!
No, what I said was that after Turner had fumbled 4 times in 4 games, that if he had done so a 5th time in 5 games, then Mike Smith's method of leaving the problem alone and letting Turner sort it out for himself would clearly not be working, and thus a more drastic step was needed which included benching him. Clearly, the problem went away and thus more drastic steps did not need be to taken. So in that case, Mike Smith's method of doing nothing worked out in the end.
Cyril wrote: look at Grimes when everyone on the board wanted him shipped out; he took chances and missed; until he got it...... Many of our players were like that!!
No, the case of Brent Grimes is a rarity on this team and at the NFL level. For every Brent Grimes, there are 10 Chris Owenses or Chevis Jacksons who do not rise to the challenge.
Cyril wrote:What makes you think its Ryan who is afraid not to make mistakes; and Ryan who is playing it safe...... After all if Ryan says "if your long your not wrong" I doubt he'd say that if it was
Coach Smiths saying....... I think Ryan came up with that himself!!
I do think it is Ryan playing it safe. My point is that the coach's should recognize this and do whatever it takes to get him out of that. Because playing it safe does not lead to greatness.
Your example of Chris Chandler epitomizes that. Chandler was not a great QB. He was a very good QB, but only when Dan Reeves constructed an offense around him that suited him. That was an offense that had a strong running game, and made extensive use of the play-action deep pass. But at any point when the running game disappeared from the table, Chandler became a mediocre QB as he had been in previous stops when he did not have the ideal supporting cast.
Cyril wrote:Just because we're in a technology age doesn't mean the coaches can make the Qbs. Their are lots of instances of Qbs leaving one team to go to another;
You are completely misconstruing what I've been saying. I'm not saying the "made" the QBs. I'm saying that Payton's system allowed Brees to flourish, and therefore Brees went from being a very good Pro Bowl-caliber player in San Diego to the HOF player we know him today to be. That greatness was always inside Brees, but because of the coaching staff in San Diego and him running an offense led by LT and he was meant to be a game manager, that greatness not allowed to flourish. Payton didn't make Brees great, he just opened the door for it.
And my point is that the Falcons are much more akin to the Schottenheimer Chargers, which similarly to with Brees, they stagnate Ryan's potential to be great. Game managers like Ryan has been, and Chandler was, and the overwhelming majority of starting QBs in the league cannot be great
, at least not on the level that a Brady, Brees, or Peyton Manning is/were.
Tom Brady's greatness didn't occur to around 2004 when the Patriots began to move towards a QB-centric offense rather than relying on Antowain Smith/Corey Dillon, and their stout defense to win games. Before that he was a very good QB, but he was not nearly the great player that we know today.
Belichick, Payton, Walsh and the like were tending the garden, watering the plants, aerating the soil, applying fertilizer to make the seed grow as much as possible. The Falcons aren't really doing that. Asking Ryan to manage the game most weeks, and then turn it on in the 4th quarter when need be is fine for winning in the regular season against a bunch of 6-10 teams, but when it gets the playoffs and you have to beat 10-6 teams, it clearly hasn't been a great recipe for success.
And Matt Ryan cannot control this. He can't storm into Mike Smith's office and demand that they do something different. Or he can, but there shouldn't be a single person in the world that should expect him to. And he shouldn't have to do that in order to take the next step.
The Falcons need to give him more room to grow, and if they do more to expand the offense and play a more aggressive style that is designed to make as many plays as possible, rather than make as few mistakes as possible, then there is only going to be so much room to grow. And thus Matt Ryan won't become a significantly better player than he is today.
But because they have no depth behind their starting WRs and TE, and they have an old decrepit RB that can't help much in the passing game, and they have a porous O-line. That isn't a supporting cast that is designed to get the most out of Matt Ryan. And the problem comes is that when Matt Ryan can't make up for all these deficiencies, the fan base questions his toughness, leadership, and guts. And because Turner is a #1 fantasy RB, Gonzo a future HOF TE, Roddy White catches 100 passes, and Julio Jones has superhuman talent, they think that is enough to win at the highest levels. But they fail to understand so much, in that the previous OC didn't know how to make those players complement each other to make each other better. The fact that the team rarely used Julio Jones last year, and even when they did it didn't help their ability to win games tells you everything you need to know.
I hope to God that Dirk Koetter comes in and that changes. And if he does, then I'll give him
complete credit. It's become an Xs and Os league, and many people don't quite yet realize it yet. And Mike Smith has clearly shown throughout his career that is the area he is most deficient. And that is one of the key limiting factors at keeping this team from achieving at the highest level.
"Vincere scis, Hannibal, victoria uti nescis" -- Maharbal, 216 B.C.E.