Cyril wrote:Our only difference as I see it is you Pudge seem positive any shortcoming is coming from the coach; and I'm just not so sure....
I'm not trying to get into this either/or blame game with Ryan and the coaches. I'll reiterate, I think both parties are at fault. I think this team has a lot of problems, including the coaching, QB play, RB play, O-line, defense, pass rush, etc. And to sit here and pretend that it's one coach, player, or unit that is the crux of the problem and fixing that one issue is going to solve all or most of the Falcons problems is naive.
Everybody seems to be saying Matt Ryan needs to be more assertive. And I 100% agree with you. But where I disagree is whether or not the coaches need to take the lead on that issue. Because it seems to me that the perception is that all of these other great QBs that exist in the league today did that at the same point that Ryan finds himself in now. And I'm saying that isn't true. Those QBs got to where they are now because they had coaches that recognized that building their teams around their pretty good QB was the best way to win more football games. And coach & QB worked hand in hand to make those improvements that those guys made.
And what I'm saying is that the Falcons coaches have yet to do this because of their commitment to the conservative, smashmouth, running game. And when the chips are down, they prefer to put the ball in Michael Turner's hands than that of their QB. And I'm saying that this off-season is the perfect opportunity for this team to move away from that philosophy and if they do that by cutting Turner among some other moves and decisions, then I can be confident that Mike smith gets it, and winning in this QB-driven league is dependent on coaches recognizing that you have to give the keys to the car to the QB, which this team has thus far in the past 4 years been tentative about doing. And IMHO it was especially evident this past year.
fun gus wrote:You cant blame his coaches, his mommy or Jeebus, his team ,the Giants, the last 3 minutes of that playoff game is on one Matt Ryan
What about the first 57 minutes? Was that ALL on Ryan, or was that all on the team?
fun gus wrote:Matt Ryan needs to show me he will not check out in January.
You're right, but he also needs help from the coaching staff. And you keep saying things like this as if Matt Ryan is out there on an island and has to do everything by himself. And because of all these issues that Matt Ryan may have with confidence, then it puts more of an onus on the coaching staff to have to step up.
So if they recognize that they have a scared widdle QB that shies away in the month of January, then they have to make a decision. Either that is to get a brand new QB, or they have to go that extra mile to make sure their QB has built some confidence through the 17 weeks of the regular season through offensive success, and running the ball to the decrepit Michael Turner 300 times is not going to do that.
So again, a lot of it still rests on the shoulders of the coaches. Now, you're right, I like Matt Ryan. I have confidence that he can be a very good QB. To me, I think so highly of Matt Ryan that it astounds me that this team has yet to win a playoff game in 4 years with Matt Ryan as the QB. For me, there are between 15-20 QBs in this league that I believe can win at this level, which means they are capable (with help from coaches and supporting) of winning in January and competing at or near the highest levels. And I think Matt Ryan is near the upper end of that spectrum. I think Matt Ryan is definitely a Top 10 QB in this league, and if you include Peyton Manning, there are only 7 QBs that I would definitely put above him, then I don't think it's all on Matt to be that much better than he is. And with a few exceptions, I don't think there are many people on this forum that would say my assessment of Matt's skills are totally inaccurate. So when I see this team continue to struggle in January, I can't say that it's mostly on the QB's shoulders.
I give Ryan a pass for the Cardinals loss because he was a rookie and the defense did not play particularly well. And I give him a pass for the Packers loss because he was pretty good until that Tramon Williams pick 6 and the defense definitely did not play well. I'm not giving him a pass for his performance against the Giants. But at the same time, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that the only thing that went wrong in that game was him, and not a lot of other things like dropped passes from Roddy White, the O-line get punked for 60 minutes, poor clock management at the end of the 1st half. But the overriding theme I'm noticing is that when the Falcons get down, the entire team
falls flat, not just Matt Ryan.
It seems to me that the overriding them of this spirited debate seems to be that some people seem to think Ryan's ability to improve is largely or completely independent of coaching, and I vehemently disagree. Matt Ryan is a 5th year QB, and you're going to be hard-pressed to find many QBs in the modern era (past 15-20 years) that were at the same point in their careers and significantly better than what Ryan is now. Both Ryan and the coaches have to work hand in hand going forward, otherwise we're just Cincinnati South. One person is not going to carry this team to a championship, not Mike Smith, not Matt Ryan. And if you think that has is what happens in other NFL cities, then you don't know jack.
It's a team game. and the coaches have to start by giving Matt Ryan a structure/platform that is designed to maximize his performance and abilities. If they do that (which they have not), then it falls on Ryan's shoulders to produce. BUt you cannot produce without the structure. It's like trying to build a house or any complex structure without a blueprint. It just doesn't work.
"Vincere scis, Hannibal, victoria uti nescis" -- Maharbal, 216 B.C.E.